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Posted 03/14/2023   04:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks NSK, I'll have another look in the morning.
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Posted 03/14/2023   05:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 03/14/2023   12:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Im still stumped. pl33 has a G error listed in Stanley Gibbons QV Spec. cat. Mine does not have that. Also, my H seems to have and inward sloping right lower leg. I dont see that on 33. Also the rays & crosses seem off between mine & pl33??
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Posted 03/14/2023   2:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Valid points.

The right lower leg, I am not sure whether it slopes inward or has become weak giving that appearance.
I am not completely convinced the G error is not visible in your example.
The Specialised is not very detailed about plate repairs. There is some weakness near the right check letter. I do not know if it is wear, or repair by re-entry that can cause such weakness and affects the letters.

From the suggested plates, this is the only one that has the H even close to yours, both in size, position - and especially the alignment with "ONE PENNY" - and serifs. The G is also close and certainly not worse than other examples. The frame lines match. I cannot say it is not plate 33, but it is a much better match than the other suggestions.

I looked at some other plates from around the same time but see no plates coming close.

The top left diagonal element in the right star, also is a closest match.
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Posted 03/14/2023   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I had another look at the plate 33 and 36 imprimatur sheets just now.

If it were my stamp I'd be saying plate 36.
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Posted 03/14/2023   9:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ok, I've moved on. The HG was hurting me . But im calling it a pl36 for now.

I have this IK. I have found 1 or 2 close plates, BUT nothing like the NE star of pl1b which would make this a red printing from a black plate. Stathams book does say there is the NE star error from pl1 that carried over. Also, the NE side weakness is there too... Pl 1b??


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Posted 03/15/2023   12:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a 1b to me.

Nice stamp
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Posted 03/15/2023   2:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tks Bobby. crease aside, yes - I was hoping.... The ray flay, weal corner and letters are all good I think.
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Posted 03/19/2023   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
pl 137?


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Posted 03/19/2023   5:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very likely.
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Posted 03/19/2023   8:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Postmark : 3-1-1-3 ? 116 BRECON perhaps.
Unlisted in database.

Brecon archaically known as Brecknock, is a market town in Powys, mid Wales. In 1841, it had a population of 5,701.
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Posted 03/19/2023   9:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is all I found so far... Top bar of 1844 missing??


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Posted 03/19/2023   10:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tough call.
Thickness of numerals would suggest 1860
But thin bars suggest 1844
I'll sit on the fence.
Love your Pmk images, from whence do you get those?
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Posted 03/20/2023   02:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It'll be the 1844 cancel. If it were 1860 the stamp would be perforated.

The images come from Parmenter's work.

Brecon is a delightful place. Mrs DLR & I had a wonderful time there!
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Posted 03/20/2023   05:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
It'll be the 1844 cancel. If it were 1860 the stamp would be perforated.


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