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Posted 03/20/2023   10:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hopefully ill catch on one day - tks Bobby. yes on Parmenter's book - downloadable from GBPS site

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Posted 03/20/2023   11:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Plate 20 by chance? The extended serif on the K from the registration sheet is throwing me off though. Not sure on the Vg upper right either.

Thanks for looking.



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Posted 03/20/2023   11:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
MANCHESTER Type ll Maltese Cross (Elongated leg of central star)

Could also be DUNDEE albeit dot in off-set centre is just not big enough
or quite in the right position.

The Maltese cross die, was attached to the wooden handle, by a central Pin,
sometimes the pin head carries ink to the impression.

Bib: The Cancellations of the 1841 Penny Red
Goldsmith -Danzig Page 53

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Edited by rod222 - 03/20/2023 11:52 pm
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Posted 03/21/2023   03:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Stamps4Life,

What registration sheet did you look at?
IK has been removed from the sheet.
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Posted 03/21/2023   08:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have plating cd's from sturmeister stamps.
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Posted 03/21/2023   09:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for the brief reply - I was on a phone. Also, I misspoke. While I did say registration sheet, in fact, I think its a scan as identified as one from the sheet. I need to clarify with the seller as its not explained 100percent. But its my understanding that they are scans of missing imprimatur stamps. Here is the screenshot. I will report back after confirmation.


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Posted 03/21/2023   10:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It does look like the two stamps are from the same plate.
I have no access to my Specialised. Was this position repaired?
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Posted 03/21/2023   11:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I see some mention of recut corners, but no repairs per se. Confusing to me as I cant match the IK with much else....

EDIT: in the mention of reentries, recut corners, IK is not called out / mentioned specifically as an example like other positions.
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Posted 03/21/2023   11:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So here is a 1d red EG. Alph II I believe and thats all I can guess. The "E" looks like it was and F ?!? I see nothing close at all!! And while I know this is not a PM thread , that too looks a little strange - yes? Any tips welcome.


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Posted 03/22/2023   01:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
By the looks, the postmark is a numeral 11 inland office diamond, upside down in relation to the stamp.
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Posted 03/22/2023   02:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Bobby's observation.

@Stamps4Life

I understand why you write it looks like the E was an F, but I do not really see that. The bottom stroke of the E looks weak. The cancellation also creates an appearance of weakness. I think that creates the effect you observe.

A registration sheet (normally) is printed early on in the life of a plate. The plate wears down. Sometimes, it is repaired. When the wear is too advanced, the plate is destroyed.
Not all stamps match up with the registration sheet. However, wandering letters, rays and frame lines should be impossible. The problem with a repair is that lines can be re-enforced after the printing of the registration sheet. So, weaker lines can be due to wear - and at the bottom of the letter especially, due to repair by re-entry -. Stronger lines can be due to repair.

Never expect your copy to be an exact copy of the registration sheet stamp. Your SG Specialised will also state not all repairs may be known.
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Thank you both. The 11 numerals - the top seriffs looked a bit odd. Especially the one that looks to be at a 45 degree angle - on the right. On the letters, I did look for repairs, etc and while not expecting an exact replica, I see nothing close so far. It just sticks out as odd. Will look more today.
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Posted 03/22/2023   3:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The 11 numerals - the top seriffs looked a bit odd. Especially the one that looks to be at a 45 degree angle - on the right.


Ink artifacts can throw off even the most experienced collector from time to time.
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Posted 03/22/2023   4:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes - I can believe that! Im still struggling with alphabets!!! On pl59, would the mark on the Queen's cheek show on the stamp?
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