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1841 Penny Red Plate Number

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Posted 09/22/2022   2:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add azstampguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
NSK - thanks for the info about the flaw, so likely plate 12 then
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Posted 09/25/2022   2:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm still going with plate 5, guessing same for your TC.
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Posted 09/25/2022   2:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
azstampguy, already, pointed out that the 'D' is standing to straight up for plate 5. The D in the Penny Red from plate 5 slants a little. Also, the arched part of the 'D' pretty consistent on plate 5 and thicker at the bottom than at the top in plate 12.

Furthermore, if you take the small white dot-like area in the lower part of the frame as a point of reference, the vertical of the 'D' from plate 5 lines up just inside that white dot, whereas it lines up just outside that dot on plate 12.

Below picture claims to be of a plate 5 Black and Red.

http://maltesex.com/cgi-bin/doctarr...1753.JPG~~~~

It looks rather like the red is a plate 12 example

This looks like it is a plate 5

http://maltesex.com/cgi-bin/doctarr...5939.JPG~~~~
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Posted 09/25/2022   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yup that is a plate 5 and it's a match :)
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Posted 09/25/2022   3:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No, you can even see the doubling of the 'T' not repeated in the 'D' that shows your overlay does not match.

Edit: the stars also give me a headache because they show doubling due to the lack of a match.
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Edited by NSK - 09/25/2022 3:17 pm
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Posted 09/25/2022   3:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
plate 5 no?
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Posted 09/25/2022   3:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The other was your plate 12
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Posted 09/25/2022   3:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Again doubling of the 'T' and stars due to overlaying the 'D' and making the posted stamp prevail.
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Posted 09/25/2022   3:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, your usual trickery shows what it is, trickery.

By the way, in your second picture, the 'D' also shows doubling.
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Edited by NSK - 09/25/2022 3:23 pm
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Posted 09/25/2022   11:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are two states of the TD stamp in the plate 5 printings.

I agree with NSK's first post on page 3, in that the two side by side stamps are different plates.

The second link NSK provides shows State 2.

The image below shows state 1, and is from the same site:

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Author of "The De La Rue Stamps of NSW" and "They Carried The Mails: The Conveyance of Post Office Mail in the Central West of NSW in the 19th Century"
Edited by Bobby De La Rue - 09/26/2022 12:06 am
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