Brazilian Bull Eyes. Is It Possible From The Pictures (Included) To Know Whether It Is Authentic?

They both look good to me at first glance. Too bad about the damage on the 30r.

Both 90r and the 30r look genuine to me. The exact pattern of the engine turning/guilloche behind the numerals is pretty distinctive. You do need to compare with genuines. The fakes are not engraved, either, if you have these stamps in hand.

Further, the genuine cancels are typically oily or "ghost"-like; forgers of classics tend not to like to spoil their work.

All fall in the intermediate stage in my opinion. One might say intermediate-late for the 90r in the first post. The Large Bullseyes can show quite a bit of wear but there appear to be no forgeries made that way. Wear normally starts at the left and right sides of the central oval.

So yes, I'd buy the Large Bullseyes without certificates with the caveat that there are pen cancels removed with forged cancels added. A blacklight works for detecting those.

Thanks both - I have them in hand, they appear engraved to me. I will check the cancels, see what you mean about oily, that's a good description for the cancel on the 90r. Do not have any others in hand to compare, I don't collect Brazil so am planning on selling these two on Hip.

I was suspicious of the faint markings on the upper part of the 30r, and it turns out to be a removed 1843 cancel. Someone a long time ago tried to 8x the CV by making it look unused it seems. This image from PMGS Reveal shows it up nicely.

***Bumping this topic***

Here is a group of 900+ Brazilian Bulls-eye and Goat-eyes that I have been going through. This is outside my area of significant experience but I believe that this group is mostly (if not all) forgeries and/or reperfs. As such, I am treating this lot as a reference library and will eventually try to ID the forgery type. In the meantime, does anyone spot anything that I should look closer at as not belonging in this forgery reference group?
Don

Don - Your pics are not showing.

Give it a few seconds, large files...
Don

The images download, just takes about 60 seconds.

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Wow, Don.
Just Wow....

Ray

Awesome stuff - have fun!

A good resource in case you haven't found this yet, found it helpful when looking at the few I've had. 78 page PDF available here (at bottom of page). https://classiclatinamerica.com/the...ounterfeits/

And the stampforgeries blog has a good write up on the 1843 issue. https://stampforgeries.blogspot.com...ls-eyes.html

I rarely experience envy, when viewing others stamps....but

What a marvelous collection !

Thanks Greg, fabulous link!

Studebaker... You're making me want to get a cert for my Bulls-eye I have! I bought it from the APS store so I it looked real to me. Great examples of fakes for the large bulls eyes... some of them are very good. Funny how fake cancels manage to cover up identifying characteristics.

So it is safe to say the O/P never got the large Bullseye send in for a Cert or was it .

Don --Nice collection ,is it yours ?

Yes, these are mine.

I have always followed the 'don't commit anything to memory that you can easily look up' mantra. But in certain cases, such as learning and retaining all the info needed to ID the early Brazilian forgeries, makes going through these a 'one-stamp-at-a-time' activity for me. In my opinion, this makes it a group that really should be with someone who specializes in early Brazil. I am going to try to ID each one as time goes by... but ultimately I think it should be moved on to someone with this area of specialization.
Don