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Posted 09/18/2020   7:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Danko
Thats what I was thinking but I ask just to be sure!
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Posted 09/18/2020   9:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This old book I read from .....
Tells me the 3 pye 50 koil Was vertically laid
And Perforation
13 1/2 x 13 1/2 or
13 1/2 x 11 1/2

Is there any other possibilities
Like horizontally laid
Or different perforations?
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Posted 09/19/2020   03:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vicaf60 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The inscription is absolutely correct, it's a so called impersonal sentensence where no subject is present, a thing absolutely impossible in gramatically correct English.

The closest word-to-word translation would be It is not a valid payment currency.


The item is a souvenir banknote that were sold in kiosks in Russia some 10-15 years ago, if I'm not mistaken (never pid attention to such things).
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Posted 09/19/2020   07:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks vicaf60
Much appreciated knowledge
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Posted 09/19/2020   09:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My Sub question and curiosity about the Russian writing on the bill
Has been answered and satisfied......Thank you all For helping me
Understand

*- back to the stamps-*

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Posted 09/19/2020   9:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Inverted groundwork?
Dots in the diamonds up


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Posted 09/19/2020   9:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is the 7 kon's groundwork omitted?
They only have one dot
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Posted 09/19/2020   9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just_fella - Have you used the SCF search function? There are a number of excellent threads about this very topic (inverted groundwork) with examples, illustrations etc.. You can take advantage of the work that others did to find the information that is out there.
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Posted 09/19/2020   10:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I have
I'm just double checking I understand what I have read

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Posted 09/19/2020   10:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I ask what I'm not 99.9% sure about something
Only makes sense to me
I just started with stamps not long ago
Everyone on here has experience
Some many years of it
I'd be a fool If I didn't ask
I take what is said and learn
I read what I can but even then
I prefer to ask someone to make sure
I read it correctly
Things can be misinterpreted or misread
Or lost in translation
it's the difference between accuracy
And precision
I know it's just stamps....
But like I said I get stuck on stupid
And crave answers
I ask
I don't pretend to know


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Posted 09/20/2020   07:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StatesmanStamper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just_fella,

It would help if you told us why you think it may be a stamp with inverted groundwork. The burden of proof is always on you.

As a general rule, especially true for a beginner, when you think you may have a valuable variety, assume you don't.

And when you come back with "Yes, but what about...?," assume you still don't.

Now go back to first steps. Using a "recent" edition of the Scott catalogue which includes Russia (Volume 5), first determine the catalog number of the stamp in question. This is very important and should be the starting point before any thought of "hitting it big" comes into play.

Looking at the first stamp from your last scans, it is a 70 kopeck value.

Looking in my 2009 Scott Volume 5, I see three possibilities for the 70 kopeck stamp:

Scott 38, issued 1883-1888.
Scott 67, issued 1902-1905.
Scott 86, issued 1909-1912, vertical lozenges of varnish on face.

So now you have the list of potential candidates. The work of determining which is your stamp falls to you, and is an exercise you need to become comfortable with if you intend to continue this collection.

That said, in doing the work to determine which Scott numbers your stamp could be, I saw that none of the three is listed as having a variety with inverted groundwork.

I hope you will spend some time thinking about this, and thinking about your plans for this collection. What do you really want to do? I'm hoping it's not a "win the lottery" type of thing, but so far I'm not seeing a whole lot to convince me otherwise.

I'll leave you with a line from an old song that seems appropriate.


Quote:

I know you're looking for a ruby in a mountain of rocks
But there ain't no Coupe de Ville
Hiding at the bottom of a Cracker Jack box


Dale


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Posted 09/20/2020   08:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks dale
I'm not gonna hit the lottery so to speak
Especially seeing a inverted doesn't seem to be worth much
But I'm gonna check
The same as anyone here I'd bet
I'm not putting them on eBay for thousands $$$
Or care to go threw that
I'm trying to get a understanding of what I have here
The best explanation that I read was
That the dots in the diamonds are up on the inverted
and down On the regular
Now on the thread links I can't see the pictures clearly
Or access the sub-links to have a full understanding
Of what to look for
Apparently it's easy according to what I have read
But is it?
That's why I keep putting
"Dots in the diamonds up" after asking inverted?
Cause so far that's what I've read




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Posted 09/20/2020   08:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Might not be a coupe de Ville
Under the cracker box
I'm happy finding a key to one
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Posted 09/20/2020   09:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm one of them silly people blessed or cursed
With a fast paced over analytical brain
So I wanna break everything down and know
(I apologize if I come off as a lottery player,
But I don't gamble)
When I stated I had no interest and just was gonna sell
But these little pieces of handcrafted paper
Have now caught my interest
I also apologize if I question everything
It's just the way I double check till it makes sense to me
Let me ask what is considered valuable to you?
For me it's odd things that raises questions
When I hit a satisfactory answer I move on
Probably not looking back
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Posted 09/20/2020   09:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
History and fact
Are just a common belief share by many.
Like the perforations are A x B In the books
Until changed By a simple question usually
But what's this?
Human error is a actual fact (never gonna prove that wrong)
Situation and certainly circumstances
Change what we know
So if we don't know.....let's find out
I mean the 7r I posted earlier With the over inking(guessing)
is horizontally laid
With a perforation of 13 1/2 x 13 1/4
But it wasn't fact in the 1965 Scott's guide I use
There's nothing listed But I've seen one other on auction
(No I'm not asking the value or care)
Not saying I'm gonna change history or anything like that
But I'll ask questions
I'm sure anyone here would do the same.....no?

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