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King George V Sideface Varieties

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Posted 05/12/2023   01:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Help please, I'm having trouble identifying this brown 1. It is a single watermark. I do have several similar green 1s with a crack in front of the top of the crown but I can't find the brown.

It is an E in halfpEnce not F. The black cancel is clear on the actual stamp.
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Posted 05/12/2023   09:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The ACSC catalogs are only as complete as they can be. If they listed every single variety, they would be enormous. That being said, there are some electros that were printed in Brown, Bright Red-Brown and Green. So if you find something listed under the Green, it may also exist under the browns. According to ACSC, the overlap would be in the KGV 1 1/2d, Die I, Single Watermark, in electros 11, 12, 13 and 14. Good luck.
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Posted 05/19/2023   02:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi folks, Something different. I have come across references to "thin paper" and "very thin paper" and I think either coarse or thick paper. Can anyone tell me the measurements? I have a hundred year old 'micrometer screw gauge' that I'd like to try out on a couple of suspect stamps.
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Posted 05/31/2023   11:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Help please. This is a large multiple watermark with very messy perforations. Is it what is called a "double perforation"? It is also torn (thinned) to the right of the emus' head.


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Posted 06/01/2023   12:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The last photo is very blurry, but there appear to be blind perfs.
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Posted 06/01/2023   05:54 am  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Boreraig, double perforation should show a second line of perforations where there are ordinarily only one line.

Your stamp has roughish perfs (sometimes due to thick paper or blunt pins) but I cant see a second line of perfs anywhere.
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Posted 06/02/2023   03:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Fairdinkum, a literal translation of "double perforations" would have told me that.
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Posted 06/02/2023   8:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think this is my last 1 brown query. It is a large multiple watermark, the first one I have found where the watermark is clear to my eyes. But it is also partly visible from the front. An A in particular. Is this a result of the general wear and tear of the stamp or is it worth putting aside with my flaws?


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Posted 06/04/2023   5:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That looks normal to me. The watermark is frequently seen from the front.
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Posted 06/04/2023   6:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks partime I guess my eyesight isn't what it used to be.
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Posted 06/05/2023   8:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another query about watermarks. This is a 1d Red KGV.with a Single Crown watermark. Can someone please tell me the significance, purpose, of the vertical line to the left of the crown. I have seen it in other stamps.

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Posted 06/05/2023   9:46 pm  Show Profile Check KGV Collector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a stamp sheet marginal line. With 1d pennyreds they were the most popular denomination in that time which lead the printer of the day to print stamps in this marginal line area which would normally not be printed on.
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Posted 06/06/2023   01:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Boreraig to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you. Presumably that would mean all the watermarks on the sheet were off centre to the right? Or was the "marginal line" only at the top and/ or bottom?
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Posted 06/06/2023   04:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I believe that the marginal line is almost always seen on the marginal stamps. However, if significantly shifted, they may not be visible on some sheets and individual stamps.
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Posted 06/06/2023   09:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
http://goscf.com/t/18058&whichpage=

Take a look here to see layout of the watermark with marginal lines. ( thanks to langtounlad.) Note that the marginal watermark text is sometimes visible on KGV stamps.

I also believe that as this paper was intended for use with the roos which are slightly narrowed than the sidefaces, the crown-A part of the watermark drifts across the sidefaces. From memory (often faulty these days) the crown-A is positioned towards the right looking from the front in row position 1 and moves towards the left by position 6. Plates contain 120 stamp in 2 sheets of 6 x 10. Printing generally used 2 or 4 plates for a total of 240 or 480 stamps.

Note also that the position of corner stamps in each block of 60 stamps is immediately obvious as the watermark will contain both a vertical and horizontal portion of the marginal line. I'll try to find an example to show.
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