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Posted 05/20/2023   04:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jleb1979, I had thought that you meant your stamp on the envelope was 51L1. I did not see the article in the Chronicle.
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Posted 05/20/2023   06:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paulyann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is my Scott #1 Ex Gross with Red Dot Cancel
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Posted 05/20/2023   6:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty stamp. It looks like there may be some goings-on in the UR S, and the LL 5 possibly worth comparing to jaxoms plating.
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Posted 05/22/2023   9:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Clovnfire to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1847 , my first V600 scans




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Posted 05/28/2023   12:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Coin Happy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 05/28/2023   6:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
US Scott #1 with a blue PAID in a lozenge.
+$40 for blue cancel
+50 for PAID cancel

This Blue, Philadelphia Paid in octagon cancel is more common than some other PAID markings.

Philadelphia was a large city and a great source of such cancels. Smaller locations produced rarer markings.

Any #1 is a nice addition to a collection.

This one is a little tight in the Lower Left corner, but it is still clear.

It is an important quality of a collectible stamp to have a "face free" cancel.

It is also an important quality of a collectible stamp to have a "Sock-on-the-nose" cancel.

For me, it is the eyes. Slide this cancel over to the left 3mm and the A and I would cover Franklin's eyes. Ugh. I wouldn't like it. But this cancel was struck 'sock-on-the-nose" and still leaves Franklin able to see.

These are also plateable. I might have the plating images around here somewhere. I am moving offices and didn't see it when I was moving such books.

A few of the plating characteristics that I see are the two dots in the O of OFFICE - one in the Upper Left and another in the Lower Right.

There is also a scratch in the Lower Right Belly of the Lower Left numeral "5".

There appears to be something unusual at the top of the "S" in the Upper Right corner. My other copies have something there as well, but not as defined as this mark.

Overall, this is a beautiful stamp. The color is nice. The margins are more than adequate. The sock-on-the-nose blue, PAID cancel in a Lozenge misses the eyes, is at a pleasing angle (sometimes they are upside down or vertical or got marked 3 overlapping times and it just isn't an attractive thing at all.)

Stan Shepp



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Posted 05/28/2023   6:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1847, 5 red brown. Deep intense color, canceled by contrasting magenta manuscript, tied by blue "Philada. Pa., Apr 30" cds on part-printed 1850 "Peach Mountain Coal" circular to New Haven Ct.; some fold wear and separations, F.-V.F. and scarce magenta manuscript cancel, ex-Sampson.

As most of you know, I spend a majority of my collecting time in the 1851-1861 period. This is 1850 - so why?!? Well, another aspect of my collection is that I am attracted to all things stamps with my birth date. This cover is postmarked April 30, 1850. That's the day - different year, but that is the day.

Enjoy!
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Posted 05/28/2023   6:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stanshepp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my #2.

XF90 w/ red cancel.

Stan Shepp

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Posted 05/30/2023   6:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Clovnfire, the first #1, there looks to be a dot below that may help plate it. The second one, it appears to have a double bottom frame line. The last one appears to be a column 1 position.


Stan, the only possible plating mark that I can see is in the LR "5". The sharp printing is either a real early printing or more likely a plate 2 stamp.

Paulyann, your stamp has quite few plating marks. In the "O" of "POSTAGE", in the upper right "S", upper left "U", and the lower left "5".

I am always interested in permission to use anyone's images for my studies.
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Posted 05/31/2023   02:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mootermutt987 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stanshepp - really nice selection of 1847's. The red grid on the 10c is a wonderful shade. So thick and rich - almost 'paint red', and some might say it is. I don't know the technical definition of 'paint red', but my personal def is that the cancel is opaque red. I would almost call your's orange-red or red-orange.

I know we see this every once in a while - your ex-Sampson 5c on cover shows both a Phil'a cds AND the magenta pen cancel. Any idea why that would be? Presumeably, if mailed in Philly, it would get the cds and be on its way. No reas on to cancel an already cancelled stamp. So.... I would assume the pen cancel happened first. Perhaps it was mailed in an outlying town and as it went through Philly someone felt it needed a dated cancel???? Or, is it possible that someone thought the cds wasn't bold enough and decided to give it a pen 'killer'?? Do the contents provide any clues? I'd be interested to se if you have an explanation or a theoretical one. Again, a really good looking stamp - rich brown shade with a blue cds, then with a magenta pen. Quite ccolorful!
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Posted 05/31/2023   11:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So the whole subject of - when is a CDS struck on the stamp required, versus when is a killer required, is interesting. I have not specifically read up on this - but I was told long ago that there was a period where instructions were given to PMs to strike the CDS away from the stamp and use the killer for obliterating the stamp. I think at least part of the purpose there was such that the CDS would be readable if struck away from the stamp. I do invite others to correct/clarify me - for the 1847 era here. Conventions clearly vary by time period, and by city/Postmaster.

In the 1847 era, you see all of the above. There are many clear examples of the CDS struck away from the stamp, with either a pen or grid, etc type of killer on the stamp. Also, there are many examples where a stamp is obliterated with just a CDS and nothing else.

Covers with only a killer and no town marking are less common, but do exist. I want to say that things like printed matter mail, tended to be treated with less care than normal mail (this was certainly true in the 1851 era). This appears possibly to be printed matter - thus 5c overpaid the rate.

There are examples of pen cancel killers from Philadelphia - although I could not find any magenta ink ones, other than the above. Philadelphia mostly used postmarks, since it was a larger city, it usually had postmark CDS/killer devices and did not usually have to resort to pen, as did many small towns.

Siegel sale 1228, lot 61 shows another cover with a similar situation -
https://siegelauctions.com/lots.php...-1228-lot-61
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