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Canada Small Queen 3 Cent - Perf Variety

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Posted 10/17/2020   12:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Trodent to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Any thoughts on this.

I am thinking #37, there is a small guide dot in bottom left.
Cork cancel also.

Unitrade mentions it should be 12x12 or 11.5x12 or 12.5!
no mention of 12.5x12

Perfed 12.5(Top and Bottom) x 12(sides)





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Posted 10/17/2020   09:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are always new perforation variety combinations being found with Small Queen stamps. These usually occur within the perforation 11.5 to 12.5 gauge range. Since 12.5 (x 12.5) is a very rare perforation gauge variety and many have been looking for this, your variety may be one of the first compound perforations of 12.5 (x 12) discovered. Are your gauge 12 sides exactly 12 and/or around 11.9? Congratulations on your new find from around 150 years ago. It's discoveries like this that bring excitement to stamp collecting.
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Posted 10/17/2020   10:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good stuff Trodent..Good stuff.

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Edited by wert - 10/17/2020 10:26 am
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Posted 10/17/2020   11:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trodent to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Hey Jojil. here is the side perf. definitely perf 12.




I guess the next step would be to get it expertized?

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Posted 10/17/2020   11:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lars714 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi - I am going to be a bit of a contrarian on this. Can you post a picture with the perf gauge in the perforations themselves and not the paper remnants? I think it is possible that the perfs are 12.25 x 12. Even this is a scarcer perf. Is the weave vertical? Chris
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Posted 10/17/2020   12:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trodent to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Top

Bottom

Left

Right


paper bends top to bottom with steam, so Horizontal Weave and in watermark fluid, the little lines go left to right.

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Posted 10/17/2020   1:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lars714 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi again - thanks for the images. I believe your top and bottoms are less than 12.5
I would need to see them of course Interesting find. Chris
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Posted 10/18/2020   08:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Trodent: Do you have a Kiusalas gauge that you can place the horizontal perforations on K-63-12.5 for further checking?
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Posted 10/18/2020   10:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KanneWa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Trodent.
Please, Could you tell us which one is the perforation gauche that you use…. ??
And where I can find It ?
Thanks.
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Posted 10/18/2020   11:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an example of a SQ Scott 37 with a perforation of 11.63 x 12.0 as shown in the work that Jogil has produced.





Now here is another SQ stamp that people would classify as a Scott 37.
BUT..it has all the indications of a Scott 41 as the pictures below show...But no bottom position dot and no position dot at 3 or 9 o'clock.

If this is true {Scott 41} then the perforation shows
12.0 x 12.0
12.0 x 12.25

So if this is indeed a Scott 41 then the perforation on the stamp below is 11.5 x 12.0...Not recognized yet..??





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Thanks to postings by SCF members, the 3 cents SQ perforation listing is being expanded to include new compound perforation combinations:

3 cents (SQ)
11.63 x 11.75, 11.63 x 11.94, 11.63 x 12.00, 11.63 x 12.12,
11.75 x 11.75, 11.75 x 11.94, 11.75 x 12.00, 11.75 x 12.12,
11.94 x 11.75, 11.94 x 11.94, 11.94 x 12.00, 11.94 x 12.12, 11.94 x 12.25,
12.00 x 11.75, 12.00 x 11.94, 12.00 x 12.00, 12.00 x 12.12, 12.00 x 12.25,
12.12 x 11.94, 12.12 x 12.00, 12.12 x 12.12, 12.12 x 12.25,
12.25 x 12.00, 12.25 x 12.12, 12.25 x 12.25
12.50 x 12.00, 12.50 x 12.50

The listings also try covering other SQ and LQ perforations for other denominations too but the 3 cents SQ is the biggest one.
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Edited by jogil - 10/20/2020 09:23 am
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Posted 10/23/2020   08:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sooner or later one collecting SQ stamps will realize that the Kiusalas gauge does not cover 12.0 and 12.25
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Edited by jogil - 10/23/2020 08:04 am
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Posted 10/23/2020   9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trodent to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Jogil, do you have the same chart in Kiusala's system?

Just curious!!

ps. I purchased the gauge from Maresch.

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Posted 10/24/2020   08:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Trodent: Kiusalas and above SQ chart correspondence

63 = 0.063" = 12.50 (12.50)
64 = 0.064" = 12.30 (12.25)
65 = 0.065" = 12.11 (12.12)
[65.5 = 0.0655" = 12.02 (12.00)] (Not on Kiusalas gauge.)
66 = 0.066" = 11.93 (11.94)
67 = 0.067" = 11.75 (11.75)
68 = 0.068" = 11.58 (11.63)

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Edited by jogil - 10/24/2020 09:46 am
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Posted 10/28/2020   9:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trodent to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Updated Scans using the Kiusala Gauge. As requested from some Philatelists











Horizontal Wove Paper


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Posted 10/29/2020   09:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great scans of your stamp. Any SQ stamp gauging at least 12.5 or more (12.5+) is scarce and the Canada 37d variety has to gauge at least 12.5-63 on all its four sides on the Canada Kiusalas gauge. This stamp appears to do this for its top and bottom horizontal perforations. Interestingly, its right and left vertical perforations are 12-65 making this stamp have compound perforations of 12.5 x 12 which may make it unique so far. Great discovery find on a 150 year old postage stamp.
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