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Posted 11/22/2020   12:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Sorsh to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

from a $200.000 estate, there was a nice italian collection, and this set mint hinged.
my knowledge of these are limited, any experts out there who can determine authenticity. Normally I would expect this kind of sets to be forged, but considdering the size and quality of the estate it could very well be a nice legit set.



backside of the 3 most expensive there are these, either owners marks or expertize marks?

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Posted 11/22/2020   1:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cursus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These, are expertize marks, as Dr. Roig was a Barcelona-based stamp expert. But, being myself from that City, I seem to remember that someone told me beware of ítems with that mark, as after t'he death (many years ago) of the Dr. the mark desapeared. So...
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Posted 11/22/2020   3:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The market price in italy for this set is around 700 euros with cert.The set mint without the overprint is 12euros.So I would be concerned to.. Your stamps have the bottom of the 'L' in Italiana a bit lower in some of the values as in the genuine certfied stamps.Also the bottom horizontal stroke of the 'E' in 'REP.'is a bit longer in some of the values.These are variable from one printing to another,as well as heavier inking...
There are 2 types ;36mm & 39mm in length.
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Edited by perf12 - 11/22/2020 4:35 pm
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Posted 11/23/2020   06:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alka2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

playing around with Gimp it looks like there is an erased script at the bottom of the stamp(?)

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Posted 11/23/2020   07:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sorsh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@ Alka2, no that's remains of hinge.

@Cursus thanks for the information, but doesn't really brings me closer to authenticity :)

@Perf12 these all seem to be 39mm
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Posted 11/25/2020   06:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sorsh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
someone once talked about an italian forum like this, anyone know of it?
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Posted 11/25/2020   09:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cursus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps, my information, brings you close to actual reality, not to your wished one... But, you're free to believe in what you want...
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Posted 11/26/2020   09:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sorsh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Normally I would discard these as authentic, selling them at low start with no guarantee.

but seeing as these come from a very large estate, they are just as likely to be authentic as they are fake.
and from what you've told, his signature was stolen/forged, but they also exist not forged i'd assume.

so far noone has argued that these are authentic or fake, just that there's a chance they are fake.
either way they are worth pursuing considdering where they came from.
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Posted 11/26/2020   3:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Only Italian experts like Raybaudi would have the information of the exact settings for each of the values.
The stamps are from different settings put togrther.
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Posted 11/29/2020   01:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alka2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Sorsh:the links you requested:

https://www.lafilatelia.it/forum/ (Repubblica Sociale Italiana section)

https://www.ilmondodeifrancobolli.forumfree.it (RSI section)


P.S.:I am not an expert but as far as I know a clue to authenticity are the pressure indents on the gum side.
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Edited by alka2 - 11/29/2020 01:52 am
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