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Posted 11/09/2010   4:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Andrew, I've only seen the Portuguese Explorers in Scotts but would really like to see some good scans.
Portugal issued some great stamps in the forties like the 1946 Castle set, 1940 Mundo Portugues, 1941 regional costumes and the 1949 House of Aviz. I wanted to get them years ago but sorry to say I didn't because I was into too many other countries and I only had so much money to spend.
But I could kick myself now for buying all those Canadian matched Plate Blocks,sheets, multiple FDC, instead of the above.
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Posted 11/09/2010   4:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AndrewF31 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Portugal made some wonderful stamps until the 1950s. After that, there were still a few nice ones until 1980 (the Cabral 1969 set shown above, Vasco de Gama in 1970 I think and 2 big sets about monuments and typical professions).

I will check my photo album for some better images but for the time being, I can offer you this link to a PDF created by a famous Portuguese stamp researcher. You have the images for the stamps between 1910 and 1953 (text is in Portuguese but the index is pretty straight forward):
http://www.caleida.pt/filatelia/fp/...bfd004_p.pdf

If you need any help looking for anything just holler.
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Posted 11/09/2010   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link but every time I try to download it freezes at 1.51 MB. I'll try again later.
I liked those Portuguese Colony ones issued in the late fifties and early sixties, they were really colourful and well printed lithographed locally by Casa da Moeda I believe. They issued nicer stamps for the colonies than for the mother country.
Go figure.
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Posted 11/09/2010   5:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Anthony, I have at least five of those Burgtheater MNH blocks floating around somewhere, if you want I'll mail you one and include some Czech & Austrian used as well.
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Posted 11/09/2010   5:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AndrewF31 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Nyassa Company and Mozambique Company stamps from the early 1900s are beautiful engraved stamps.
There's not that many but worth a look.

Again, in Portuguese, but worth a look at the photos:

http://www.girafamania.com.br/africano/nyassa.html
http://www.girafamania.com.br/afric...ssa_cia.html

About the PDF, strange that it gets stuck. You can try "right click" download. It might be easier. Or try later.
The PDF is on this site: http://www.caleida.pt/filatelia/ (in portuguese haha, but you just have to go to the album called "Carlos Kullberg - Selos de Portugal - Álbum II (1910/1953)").

Good luck!

Casa da Moeda, in case you don't know, is basically Portugal's National Mint. It was responsible for issuing the national currency, special coins and for a long time, the stamps.
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Posted 11/09/2010   5:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again Andrew.

I see on this website http://www.stampprinters.info/SPI_Country_P.htm that recent printers are Litografia de Portugal S.A and Litografia Maia. I asume they are both private companies.
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Posted 11/09/2010   5:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AndrewF31 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Litografia Maia and Nacional Portugal S.A. do print stamps but the 2 main ones, at least for 2010 have been:

- Casa da Moeda (INCM)
- CARTOR (from France)

These 2 are used for offset printing.

The special Ceres issue which was engraved, was printed by Enschede.
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Posted 11/09/2010   5:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ryan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I discovered on the site you posted (Canadian Postal Archives Database) that Baril also engraved US and UN stamps.

Does anyone know which ones?

Hmmm, I have the Michel UN specialized catalogue handy, let's look through that one for now.

Mar. 30, 1959 - 2 values commemorating the General Assembly building in Flushing, NY


Oct. 23, 1959 - 2 values commemorating the Trusteeship Council


May 25, 1962 - 5c definitive, hands holding letters "U" & "N", globe


Ryan
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Posted 11/09/2010   6:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Ryan but that 5c is the multicolour photogravure version.

This is the engraved one which proves what an excellent engraver Yves Baril was.

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Posted 11/09/2010   10:28 pm  Show Profile Check stallzer's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
US Trans-Mississippi 2˘

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Posted 11/09/2010   10:35 pm  Show Profile Check stallzer's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Canada 1929 50˘ Bluenose , one of these days I'll break down and get a mint unhinged copy. One of the most beautiful Stamps ever produced.



Canadian 1$ Destroyer



Canadian 5˘ Royal WIlliam

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Posted 11/10/2010   11:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This site http://www.caleida.pt/filatelia/has a wealth of information, thanks Andrew, I Bookmarked it right away.

I like the fact that it has all the technical details of each stamp: designer,engraver, printer, print runs etc, etc

The only drawback is the illustrations. The engraved ones look like they are photogravure.

Just to make sure I have the right meanings.

e gravurasa talhe doce = engraved

Heliogravados = photogravure

off-set pela = offset; but what does pela mean?

Desenho = designer

gravura = engraver

policromo (diferente gravura) = multicolour?? diferente ?
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Posted 11/10/2010   11:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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one of these days I'll break down and get a mint unhinged copy


I said that to myself years ago and never did, wish I had though.

Nice scans stallzer
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Posted 11/10/2010   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AndrewF31 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Concerning the meanings:

e gravuras a talhe doce = engraved (Correct, like French Taille-douce)

Heliogravados = photogravure (Correct)

off-set pela = offset; but what does pela mean? "offset by" - it must have the author or company that printed right after the "pela"

Desenho = designer (desenho = design; designer = desenhador)

gravura = engraver (engraving; engraver = have no idea actually lol. The fact that Portugal uses the term "Talhe-doce" it makes it difficult. Normally they use "designer / desenhador" also.)

policromo (diferente gravura) = multicolour?? diferente ? (do you have an example? Policromo is multicolour and "diferente gravura" is "different engraving")
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Posted 11/10/2010   4:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found this one in a recent old album purchase.
I think it may be missing a tab though.

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