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Posted 12/09/2020   6:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add photo61guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Tell me I am wrong, but this is a perf 8.5?? not 10?? making it a Scott #395. PSAG Cert????????????

https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/sc...ert/36146926
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Posted 12/09/2020   6:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it.
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Posted 12/09/2020   9:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Acronym
PSAG = Philatelic Stamp Authentication and Grading
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Edited by rod222 - 12/09/2020 9:44 pm
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Posted 12/10/2020   07:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add percyjgp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like Perf 8.5 to me. So either the cert is wrong or altered.
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Posted 12/10/2020   07:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Note the "Void Unauthorized Copy" text showing in the background. Also the stamp image placement on the cert seems wrong. When you look at others the signature always crosses onto the image to some degree.
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Posted 12/10/2020   09:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add percyjgp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I went and looked at a couple items that I had purchased that had PSAG certs. They were both from the last 2 years and neither of them are a full sheet of paper. They are small certs and the picture has a seal pressed into the picture and signature. I think this is a faked cert.
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Posted 12/10/2020   10:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mr. H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is it possible to verify the PSAG cert online? I know you can look them up for APS and PSA, but I can't seem to find anything on PSAG.
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Posted 12/10/2020   11:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 12/10/2020   1:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rhett to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The cert does not appear to be a fake; PSAG has offered certs in two sizes for several years now and this is in the format of the larger size cert. The submitter chooses which size he wants on the submittal form. The security paper the cert is printed on has been a PSAG feature from their startup; the original cert cannot be copied without revealing the hidden security text. The cert does appear to misidentify the stamp; the owner should contact PSAG to have a correct replacement issued. As rogdcam said, PSAG does not have an online cert database at this time.
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Posted 12/10/2020   1:59 pm  Show Profile Check 1typesetter's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1typesetter to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The certificate appears to be a copy. The word VOID should not be visible on an original certificate. Much like the word VOID on checks which shows up when copied.
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Posted 12/10/2020   2:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The cert is a copy. As I said above, an added security feature is the signature crossing onto the photo. It does not on the Hipstamp cert. It absolutely should be brought to the PSAG's attention.
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Posted 12/10/2020   2:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It could be the seller put the void copy over the cert in the pic.
Shady deal...
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Posted 12/10/2020   3:07 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
IMO definitely a copy of a cert, not an original.
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Posted 12/11/2020   9:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add photo61guy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I contacted Randy Shoemaker as well as the dealer. I think they were trying to communicate between the two of them.
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Edited by photo61guy - 12/11/2020 9:56 pm
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Posted 12/11/2020   10:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I asked for info a few days agao and got the response below:

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Faked Cert12/10/2020 09:40:14
This item has a faked cert. VOID....COPY is clearly seen in the image of the cert. Not to mention, the stamps are not the correct perf for scott 446.


monatk4

Re: Faked Cert12/10/2020 17:24:25
Hello, these certs when scanned, show as VOID COPY in the scanned image, but the cert is genuine and has an embossed blindstamp at bottom. However, I am attempting to take the pair off listing in Hipstamp, due to concerns that it may not be a SC 446.
Thanks for contacting me about this.
Sincerely, monatk4 (uscprestigepostal)


Just my opinion but, having seen this I would NEVER accept a cert from PSAG. The perf determination is a HUGE friggin', galactically incompetent miss.
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Edited by shermae - 12/11/2020 10:23 pm
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Posted 12/12/2020   11:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add steevh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The difference between a perf. 8.5 and a perf. 10 isn't something you need an expert committee to tell you about.

In fact, you shouldn't even need a perf gauge!

So whether the cert. is genuine or not is rather a moot point.
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