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Posted 01/20/2021   08:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Just_fella to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So far as I can make out this is a B-22(I on bottom) Aden camp cancel?
I don't think it's bhahjahanpur city but I could be wrong


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Posted 01/20/2021   09:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cannot be BHAHJAHANPUR
it only has 2 lines above the A-22

What you need is the preceding letter
it does not look like it is legible.

You will need Joy or Tony the specialists
there is a 3 bar above 22
L-22
AMRITSAR CITY (Lahore)

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Edited by rod222 - 01/20/2021 09:38 am
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Posted 01/20/2021   11:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Amritsar city has a 14 at the bottom
it appears this only has one number in the space that's what lead me to Aden camp
And the 1 would line up with the first 2 like the example
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Posted 01/21/2021   10:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd feel blessed if joy or tony would add there opinions
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Posted 01/22/2021   06:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I feel like the space for the number is too narrow
It should extend lining up in the middle (bottom of the 2) more
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Posted 01/29/2021   07:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Best I could get with retro reveal
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Posted 02/24/2021   6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Guess it's not enough to tell
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Posted 02/25/2021   2:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Since the alphabetical code indicating the postal circle, is indistinct, the answer can be deduced by logical elimination process.

There are only 5 recorded disbursing offices with office code 22 used in basic Renouf type 17/Cooper type 32 barred cancels.

A-22 Mathura (1873 series)
A-22 Shahjahanpur (1877 renumbered series)

B-22 Adan

C-22 Dinajpur

L-22 Amritsar

M-22 Tiruchchirappalli

Given the positions of the remnants of the alphabet code, we can eliminate A, L and M.

Now there is no recorded Sub Post Office of Dinajpur HPO with code C-22/1, which leaves the obvious choice.

The postmark is thus Renouf type 17c/Cooper type 32b/Robertshaw type 19a/Graham type C12a/Lowe type C10/Proud type K7 barred rectangular cancel of Adan Camp SPO with code B-22/1, recorded used from Oct 3,1875 to Feb 2,1878.

The basic criterion of Robertshaw type 19a is that the numeral 1 is vertically aligned with the first 2 of 22.

The hyphen should measure 1.5mm in length and the numerals 7mm in height.
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Posted 02/26/2021   07:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed
Thank you so much joy!!!
Just by seeing a reply it made my day
Seeing how much was put into your message I feel blessed
Thank you for helping me with this I thought it was a lost cause

Probably not the best at measurements
I tried to show the hyphen measurement but not sure if it came out
The 2's appear to both be 7mm



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Posted 02/26/2021   9:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could I ask for any info on these?
I really couldn't find much



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Posted 02/26/2021   9:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First one, Squared circle LUCKNOW

Second Stamp
Travancore
Guess
Type ll Single lined circular date stamp
measuring 28mm in diam, with place name in centre
I cannot read that.
This is also a date-stamp of the pre stamp period
Also found used for cancellation purposes soon after the introduction of adhesive stamps in Travancore

Bib: Moos
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Edited by rod222 - 02/26/2021 9:47 pm
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Posted 02/26/2021   10:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you rod!
With the first one I couldn't find one with out the year and the picture at the bottom?(google)
Second one I'll take your guess as a well educated one :)
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Posted 02/26/2021   11:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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With the first one I couldn't find one with out the year and the picture at the bottom?


My limited knowledge in this discipline would suggest
the hammer at fault (missing the date)
Not originally like that.
That "picture at the bottom" is a device often referred to as a "Fleuron"

Squared circle postmarks, is a dedicated discipline to to the enormous varieties, I have an catalogue, just for the squared circles of Yorkshire alone.

Postmarks of India, is a fascinating hobby, I really enjoy the vastness of it all.
Cancels like SOWCARPETT

LUCKNOW is just 300Km from Varanasi (Benares) where the Buddha gave his first sermon.

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Edited by rod222 - 02/26/2021 11:52 pm
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Posted 02/27/2021   04:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


The postmark is Mus type III cds of Kulasekaram Anchal Office, located in Kulasekaram (8.3614°N 77.2927°E), now in Kanniyakumari district of Tamizhnadu state, which functioned under Padmanabhapuram Division of Tiruvitamkur Ańchal (Ańchal means Post).

The inscriptions in the cds is in Kairali script of Malayalam language.

The name of the post office is in the 1st line.



The actual Tamizh toponym is Kulasekaram but the Malayalam version in the cds is Kulashshekharam.

I could not find the pre-reformation long "u" ligature used after the letter "ka", in my keyboard. So I had to use modern version of long "u" ligature.

Below the post office name, is the date KAR 23 where KAR is the abbreviation of the month of Karkatakam in Kollavarsham calendar which was predominantly used officially in the Indian Feudatory States of Kochchi and Tiruvitamkur.



Since the 2 year digits in the 3rd line was not impressed on the stamp, it is difficult to deduce the actual date.

But as the month Karkatakam generally corresponds to mid-July to mid-August, the date must be within the first 10 days of August.

It would help to determine the year if the watermark of the stamp is known. Prima facie the stamp appears to be Tiruvitamkur 1924 10 Kashu SG 37 on smooth machine-made wove paper.
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Posted 02/27/2021   04:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rod222

Quote:

Guess
Type ll Single lined circular date stamp
measuring 28mm in diam, with place name in centre
I cannot read that.
This is also a date-stamp of the pre stamp period
Also found used for cancellation purposes soon after the introduction of adhesive stamps in Travancore

Bib: Moos


Rod, the Kulasekaram cds is Mus type III which is characterized by the date in 2 lines below the Anchal Office name and the year slugs in 2 digits at the bottom, whereas in Mus type II, the year is in 4 digits and it is positioned above the Anchal Office name.

Moreover, Mus type II datestamps were phased out by 1899 whereas the stamp with this vignette, was not issued until 1920.

It must also be mentioned that Mus type II is lot scarcer than Mus type III cds.
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