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Posted 01/29/2021   10:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I use catalogs to ID stamps for the most part and get a ROM of the value. I hate using digital catalogs. It is cumbersome, time consuming and inefficient for me. I do wish that Scott would stop splitting up some Countries issues between multiple volumes because "technically" they were utilized in another area or era or for another purpose or...… Drives me nuts to go from Volumes 2B to 5A to 6A to 3B to...…. Yikes

Plus paper catalogs give me time AWAY from the screen and for me that is pleasure. Old school I guess but I love the tactile part of books in general.
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Posted 01/29/2021   10:39 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For me, it much more than just catalogs. I have hundreds of philatelic references works in PDF format and I rarely look up anything by catalog number. I have an external 2TB hard drive with them all on it and I have taken the time time to pre-build a large PDF index of every file. When I search for something am search for keywords in every reference work I have; it takes less than 30 seconds for most searches. I cannot even get up and walk into the the other room to find a book in less than 30 seconds.

And when I am searching for an unknown worldwide stamp, I rely a lot on image online image searches. This is exponentially faster for me compared to leafing through a catalog looking for a picture that matches the stamp in hand. <shrugs> To each his own I guess.
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Posted 01/29/2021   10:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjpalermo1964 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, many of us grow sick of screens and the mental energy required to "interface" with filesystems and search systems. Like the pleasure of slow food, there is pleasure in the retrieval, smell, texture, and appearance of books. Not all of life is about fast, efficient data retrieval on a glowing screen, the same screen in the same room and same place at which you have been for 60 hours already.
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Posted 01/30/2021   04:25 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Understood, I too have to exercise much mental energy in dealing with technology. In fact my very existence depends upon interfacing with technology. I am kept alive with a machine and have no hope of ever not being kept alive with a machine. I spend as much time interfacing with a machine as I do with my wife.

I do not remember how it feels to relax with a book in my lap. I do not remember how it feels to stand under a shower and allow water to run down over my head. I do not remember how it feels to sleep more than 4 hours in a night. I do not remember how it feels to be able to drink some water whenever I want. I do not remember how it feels to eat a meal until I feel full. I do not remember how it feels to be able to travel without dealing with medical logistics. I do not remember how it feels to not have an unpleasant medical procedure scheduled in the next 24 hours.

Thinking back at how I interface with our hobby it is true that it has become more and more dependent upon technology but so has my life. I am very, very thankful for that technology.
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Posted 01/30/2021   06:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the gospel from Scott that appears in the front of their catalogs for their values.

The "loss leader" comment seems out of place these days except to describe Mystic's marketing but their loss leader price is closer to what it should be.

The language reads more like it was written years ago and not reflective of current marketplace - eBay, far fewer brick and mortar dealers and published price lists, etc.

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Posted 01/30/2021   06:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add funcitypapa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting discussion which touches on many facets of our ever changing world and the speed at which those changes occur. I am forced to interact with technology on a daily basis as a medical provider. This is a two edged sword. Certainly from the standpoint of paper charts being replaced by EMR, there is the bonus of essentially unlimited storage. In addition, your ability to research on line is sometimes only limited by your ability to formulate a question. When looking up a prior physician of a patient thousand miles a way and the patient can't remember the name, often two letters of last name, the specialty and the town is enough to find them. The worlds cumulative knowledge is often only a click away. Have a patient with a difficult symptom and the literature on the problem was authored by someone in France? Send him an email and present the case anonymously to him or her with your specific question; you will often have your answer before the day is over.

Does this mean that communication has improved? Hardly. Faxing 10 page templated Medicare notes does not take the place of speaking to someone face to face, a phone call, or even a text message which based on space constraints forces the communicator to be concise with his correspondent. These three latter techniques require the provider to personally interact with his or her colleague; simply trading paper does not.
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Posted 01/30/2021   07:24 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi funcitypapa,
In my opinion the state of medical communications in this country is very poor even with technology. I swim in the confluence of three distinct medical specialties; the renal river, the oncology river and the vascular river. While these flow together in my life they do not interact with each other well.

Over the least 6 years, I have gone to over 1100 medical appointments. I currently have 14 online medical portals that I use, none share information with each other. I carry with me a backpack that includes several DVD that I have made with my entire medical history, imaging, and lab results. I developed and generated custom Visio timelines printed out which reflect my medical history so that I can quickly communicate it to the various new healthcare personal I met every week. I sometime feels like the John Appleseed of medical records as I pass this stuff out to the various medical offices.

In my experience medical groups are not willing to use another groups information. Week after week I have full metabolic panel labs done at two different medical groups 18 hours apart; they each refuse to use the others information. (I assume that there are liability issue at play.) It is estimated that medical mistakes kill more people each year than COVID has (low estimates are 250,000 to higher estimates of 800,000) but there are few mentions or attention for this epidemic. I believe that many of these medical mistake deaths can directly be attributed to communication issues; I think that correctly implemented technology could help this issue. In the same way, correctly implemented technology could establish more accurate market values for stamps.

But market values are obviously ephemeral. And virtually every philatelic author I speak with is frustrated by the fact that as soon as they send their work to a hardcopy publisher it becomes out-of-date. In the case of market values this is especially true.
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Posted 01/30/2021   07:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps stamp specialists who study a specific country or a specific country stamp issue may know better about different aspects of those specific stamps including pricing. Some very specialized books and catalogues may offer different evaluations than general catalogues and some even use a rarity factor measure rather than specific prices. Usually, knowing how many stamps were issued and/or how many stamps still exist which affects supply is one way to potentially price them. Another has to do with how popular the stamp currently is with collectors and others since this affects demand. Low supply and high demand makes high price. High supply and low demand makes low price. Low supply and low demand makes lower price. High supply and high demand makes higher price.
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Posted 01/30/2021   08:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The usefullness and incredible amount of information available electronically is undeniable and I am grateful for it. I just hope that actual physical books never fade away because they provide something that gives pleasure in a way that digital never will. Kind of like why it is still a thrill to drive an old car that does not talk back and tell me " in 200 feet stay right". Oh, I love my technology but I want to escape it at times.

How do younger people feel that have not formed those bonds or experienced things that require more effort to use, operate or extract information from? Hard to miss something you never formed a connection to in the first place.
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Posted 01/30/2021   08:32 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
...thrill to drive an old car that does not talk back and tell me...


I think that I agree...
I have to roll down my window and stick my arm out of it for every turn I make (turn signals were optional in early 1950s). I guess doing this when it is snowing, sleeting or is below 20 degrees is a kind of thrill.
It is also a bit thrilling when it is pouring rain and as I go up any hill and the vacuum windshield wipers come to a stop.
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Posted 01/30/2021   08:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add funcitypapa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don: you bring up some very valid points. The acceptance of medical information from "elsewhere" many times involves where the elsewhere is and from whom. If you are talking about a university physician interacting with a community physician, often times there is a built in bias to assume that the community doctor got it wrong and the university doctor is there to save the day. The community doctor isn't even referred to by name, or if referred to by name, the spelling is always wrong, even when the name is simple.. I have also seen this between universities in the same city or an affiliate institution within the same university system—--there is always a pecking order. Many times the problem is a function of people not knowing each other or never having met personally or spoken personally. This gets back to the paper trading issue I mentioned on my prior note—which is not communication in my book unless personally sent to you by another doctor. You are more likely to trust and accept the opinion of someone you have met, spoken to, or know. Sort of the same distinction between a casual acquaintance and a friend.

These days many people never actually interact with a physician; just varying levels of physician extenders.
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Posted 01/31/2021   06:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add steevh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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...try to imagine a world where catalogues didn't exist...
I am ok with a world that did not contain costly printed catalogs (those who support environmental issues may agree). I think it would stimulate a new generation of exciting digital efforts. And I believe that the inane values in catalogs set unrealistic expectation that hurt the hobby. At a minimum, catalog publishers are not having to deal with explaining the discrepancies the way this community (and others) have had to deal with it. And we already have thousands and thousands of existing hard copy catalogs that could be used for folks who desire them. (Who among us does not already have multiple older sets of catalogs sitting around somewhere?)

It has been a long time since I used a hard copy catalog to look up a value; it takes me less effort to do an online search than pull a dusty catalog off the shelf and pages through it only to find a value that is relative at best. <shrugs>
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Clearly we collect in very different ways. I use hard copy catalogues all the time for what I do -- organizing an all-world collection from shoeboxes full of stamps organized by country -- online searches would take forever.

I presume the OP also uses catalogues -- and his gripe was the values in them, not the catalogues per se.

Its not just me -- I recall reading that Glen Stephens, who runs the 'other board', talks about having his SG Stamps of the World to hand by his desk, for easy reference.

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Posted 02/18/2021   04:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add adischaub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is not an US or Scott problem. In the past years I bought from local stamp dealers in Switzerland a handful of the early Swiss Cantonal stamps. Their catalogue prices range between 500 to 60'000 USD and I never paid above 30% of the catalogue price (mostly substantially lower) for very decent items that had been supported by expert certificates confirming authenticity and lack of repairs.

Luckily I am not dependend on machines as Don (and you have my full sympathy for your thoughts and I wish you strength for the challenge with these) and whilst I appreciate digital helpers, I also enjoy the analogue side of stamps and catalogs. As a collector of global classic stamps I have some global catalogs from the 1940's which - similar to stamps - are witness of the history. Below an excerpt of the foreword from Froedes Weltkatalog 1942 published in Germany in November 1941 which reads in English "We have switched from a geographical to an alphabetical order of the countries. The reason being that only after the end of the victorious battle of Europe against the culture-destructive bolschewism, the new shape of Europe will allow us to return to the order by countries in their new and final form".... Well, as we all know the "new and final form of Europe" didnt exactly look how the publishers had in mind then ;-)

Take care, Adrian

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Posted 02/18/2021   11:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I understand the difficulty in determining the price of used or no longer issued stamps. Why do catalogs estimate above FV, stamps that can still be bought at the post office?
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Posted 02/19/2021   09:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hoosierboy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A stamp catalog is a listing of what was produced. It is NOT a price list.
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