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SC #17 Vs SC #36 Reentries

 
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Posted 01/26/2021   6:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Caper123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Question - the 12c design of 1851-57 has several triple transfer positions (or so says Siegel) 5R1, 17R1, and 49R1. The PF site does not have listings.

As Scott 36 uses the same design would these same positions be triple transfers on the 36? Scott has a line for triple transfers on #36 but no price for used.
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Posted 01/26/2021   10:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Caper, if you are referring specifically to Sc #36 (produced from Plate 1) and not #36B (produced from Plate 3), then the answer is yes. James Allen, a premier student of the 12c 1851-1857 issue, has this to say: "Plate 1, which produced the imperforate 12 1851 stamps of the 1851 issue, also produced a great percentage of the perforated 12 stamps of the 1857 issue. The plate varieties found on the 1851 imperforates are therefore repeated on the perforated stamps printed from Plate 1." (CHRONICLE 241, Feb 2014, p.45).
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Posted 01/26/2021   11:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Dudley. I had come across what appears to be a 5R & 17R1 #36. No catalog value is given for used triple transfers in the Scott catalog, so I'll assume for now they have the same value as the double transfers.
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Posted 01/27/2021   11:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are the stamps I referred to (best pictures I can provide right now). The stamp on the left (the 17's) is copied from Siegel and is listed there as a triple transfer variety. The two on the right (the 36's) are mine.

5R1



17R1
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Edited by Caper123 - 01/27/2021 11:36 am
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Posted 01/28/2021   10:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
17R1 is not listed as a triple transfer in any of the standard references or by Allen in his Chronicle articles. According to Siegel there are three different frameline entries at UR in this position. Unfortunately, Caper's copy of #36 from this position does not show this area. Neinken's drawing of 17R1 does not show traces of three framelines either. It seems that a confirming copy of this position matching the Siegel item from the Wagshal sale is needed.
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