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Posted 02/23/2021   02:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Parks5112 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can someone tell me what I have here id like to think U312 or U313 but im starting to go crazy all the differnt pictures etc. Id like to know what type of paper they are die and the watermark is US double lined and wrapped together. Bottom of the S



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Posted 02/23/2021   08:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I find this site useful in identifying stamped envelopes.

http://dubinweb.com/
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Posted 02/23/2021   09:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jobi01 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Paper appears to be oriental buff and the stamp impression is Scott type U71. This makes your envelopes Scott U313. As determining color from a scan can be questionable, these could be U311 (white) or U312 (amber) or U313 (oriental buff) with major toning. Look inside of the envelopes to get a better idea of the paper color.

White is but some early whites are slightly yellow; amber is a yellow; oriental buff is a pink.

Watermark 7 is a double line US with the U & S in definite embrace. They are completely overlapped. Watermark 8 also features a double U & S but the S is only wrapped around the right upright of the U. Pictures of both are in the forward of the section on stamped envelopes and wrappers in the Scott Specialized.
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Posted 02/23/2021   10:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parks5112 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So id say its on the pinkish side but not here is a side by side in natural light from my phone next to a white entry... does this help any?


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Posted 02/23/2021   10:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Have you tried a Scott catalog? Chances are your local library has one


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Posted 02/23/2021   10:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parks5112 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey it is even better picture best I can do hope it helps, im thinking its oriental buff

Bottom envelope is they type of paper im trying to figure out,

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Edited by Parks5112 - 02/23/2021 10:35 am
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Posted 02/23/2021   10:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another thing you can do. Several posts on this forum have in the past shown a variety of colors compared to one another. Use the 'search' function on every page in this forum.
The reason I am suggesting this is because every time one takes a picture the color or hue tends to be different - the most reliable way might be scanning but even that is not trustworthy enough!

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Posted 02/23/2021   10:46 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
An image of paper colors is on this page (at bottom)
https://stampsmarter.org/learning/M...SStamps.html

All cautions regarding the way an image was generated, saved, and is being displayed apply.
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Posted 02/23/2021   11:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parks5112 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looking at that page bow its lookingblike anber manilla #2
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Posted 02/24/2021   07:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jobi01 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are you comparing your envelopes to white or to blue? In the scan with the the 2c circular die the envelope in question appears to be off white which is normal for this issue. In the larger scan the reference envelope appears to be blue and the questionable envelope still seems to be off white. You can be certain by sending your envelope off to an expert or to one of the expertizing services such as APEX or PF.
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Posted 02/24/2021   08:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parks5112 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Same 2 envelopes in both pictures and its being compared to an off white, im 31 and never thought id be so interested and so confused about something so simple yet complex ..thank you to everyone that helps me her now and in the future..
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