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So Who's Afraid Of The Indian States?

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Posted 03/29/2016   02:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It only took me six years to discover this thread, but I'm so glad it exists! I'm only a third of the way into it -- up to Kishangarh. But I'll keep reading as time allows. The banter between Tony and Spock is half the fun. You are like the Abbot and Costello of Indian philately!
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Posted 01/15/2019   08:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hyderabad postage stamp yellow 1 Rupee Postage Gouvernment.
(new additions) Can someone identify the town cancels? Also how many stamps in the
printed sheet?





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Posted 01/16/2019   07:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The postmarks on the first 3 Haydarabad 1927 1R Sarkar I Asafiyyah mustard yellow stamp (SG 37) are same Nayim type 9 parcel datestamps (dia: 31mm), all from the same state post office of Sultanbazar Sub PO functioning under state Haydarabad Head PO, located in Sultanbazar (17.3914°N 78.4783°E) locality in the city of Haydaranad, now in Haydarabad district of Telangana.

As SCF does not support Unicode, I cannot post the exact Urdu transcriptions.
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Posted 01/16/2019   08:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Postmark Description:
1st Line: Sultanbazar
(PO name)
2nd Line: Fa 1339 Mahar 10
i.e. August 7,1930.
Fa means Fasli Calendar.
3rd Line: Urdu transliteration of Parcel



Postmark Description:
1st Line: Sultanbazar
2nd Line: Fa 1339 Day 21
(month was not stamped clearly but deduced the month by only the partial impression of the top part of the final letter ya)
i.e. November 25,1929.
3rd Line: Urdu transliteration of Parcel



Postmark Description:
1st Line: Sultanbazar
2nd Line: Fa 1342 ? 9
(month illegible).
Year corresponds to 1932/3 depending on the month.
3rd Line: Urdu transliteration of Parcel
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Posted 01/16/2019   08:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


The postmark is Nayim type 8 (later redesignated as type 7) cds (dia: 26-30mm) (introduced in 1909) of Haydarabad HPO, located in Haydarabad (17.3871°N 78.4917°E) in Haydarabad district of Telangana.

Postmark Description:
1st Line: Fa 1339
2nd Line: Haydarabad
(PO name)
3rd Line: Shahriwar 1
At the bottom are the Islamic crecent and star motif.

The date Shahriwar 1,1339F corresponds to July 7,1930.
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Posted 01/16/2019   08:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A 1R denomination stamp was planned in 1922 specifically for payment of parcel postage which was 1R for weight between 2.798kg (240 tola) and 3.265kg (280 tola), the rate in effect from 1920 to 1942, but the stamp got released only on February 1,1927.
And I have not seen a complete sheet of Haydarabad 1927 1R SG 37.

References:
1. The Philatelic and Postal History of Hyderabad (Vol.II: Postal Markings).
Muhammad Abd an Nayim Siddiqi.
Bright and Company, Haydarabad 1967
Chapter VIII: The Date Stamps
From 1870-1952; pp.39, 42
Chapter XIV: Handstamps of the Parcel Post; p.92
Appendices:
A: Alphabetical List of Post Offices of the Nizam's Dominion; p.136

2. The Philatelic and Postal History of Hyderabad (Vol.I: History of Postal Administration in Hyderabad).
Muhammad Abd an Nayim Siddiqi.
Bright Publishers, Haydarabad 1970
Part II: History of Postal Administration in Hyderabad (1857-1948)
Chapter VIII: The Postal Systems
Section II: The Parcel Post; p.209

3. Haydarabad Philatelic History.
Muhammad Abd an Nayim Siddiqi.
Philatelic Congress of India, New Dilli 1980
Part I: Postal History
Chapter IV: The Postal Systems
Section II: The Parcel Post; p.53
Part II: Postal Markings
Chapter VIII: Postal Markings
Section VII: General Date Stamps (1870-1950)
1. Date Stamps; p.122
XIII: Handstamps of the Parcel Post; p.136

4. The Fasli Era as Used in Hyderabad.
Peter Röver.
Ref. India Post (Vol.LII No.1 No.206 1-3/2018); pp.34-7
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Posted 01/16/2019   09:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Joy Daschaudhuri: Thankyou for your concise discriptions and information.It looks a
bit clearer now.
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Posted 03/05/2019   08:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Found this Sirmoor stamp.It has an upright black overprint and an inverted red overprint.
Known type ?

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Posted 03/05/2019   09:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is well-documented Sirmaur 1892 On S.S.S. (Sirmaur State Service) machine-printed double overprints (SG type 13) with On S.S.S. in red inverted on 1888 6P Shamsherprakash Raghbirprakash Bhati (1846-1898) deep yellow green lithograph (SG 65fa) from 2nd Printing.

It is quite a difficult stamp, recorded only used, currently priced at £2750 in the latest Stanley Gibbons Stamp Catalogue India 2018 5th Ed..
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Posted 03/05/2019   10:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Joy ; thankyou for the information (detailed as usual).
Below a local Hyderabad cover with 2 British stamps.It dates from 1866.Small cover with
an enclosed letter.Registered red handstamp on the front.The number has been oxidized away!
Why the two types of postmarks on the two annas stamps ?



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Posted 03/05/2019   11:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


The cancel on Br. India 1865 2A SG 62 stamps is actually a duplex cancel from a single canceling implement which is Renouf type 9a/Cooper type 9/Martin type 9II [u] with code 41 (code allotted in 12/1855) of Br. Indian HPO of Haydarabad (est. 1814) in the territory of the feudatory state of Haydarabad.
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Posted 03/05/2019   11:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Posted 03/07/2019   09:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Have this Jammu cover from 1887. Is the stamp an orange-red thin laid paper of 1887 or
the vermillon wove paper type ? Or am I off the track…
Also the sript in red can it be a genuine Masson script or was this just imitated afterwards on covers?


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Posted 03/07/2019   09:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


The stamp is the most common Jammu and Kashmir 1883 ½A orange red typograph on thin toned wove paper (SG 147), printed in sheets of 15 (3×5), which was almost exclusively used in Shrinagar.
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Posted 03/07/2019   09:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joy Daschaudhuri to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:

Also the sript in red can it be a genuine Masson script or was this just imitated afterwards on covers?


I don't know what Masson script is but the manuscript Amritsar in red on the obverse side of the cover, was written by a postal clerk at the Br. Indian HPO of Siyalkot, which was a common practice in Br. Indian Post Offices when the destination place in the address on mail was not mentioned in Roman alphabet.
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