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Posted 04/03/2021   5:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"When the budget is small, treasure hunting is justified."

When the brain is small and greed is large, treasure hunting is automatically self-justified.
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Posted 04/03/2021   5:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From what I have seen, 159b is a stamp that comes from ordinary sheets. I wonder if his tete-beche pair can be 159b.
Furthermore, at the back of the stamp he shows on eBay is written "139a." Isn't that Michel 159 K?
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Posted 04/03/2021   6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hy-brazil - I don't know English well and that's why I think I made a mistake.
Does Treasure Hunting Have a Negative Meaning? (Small Brain and Big Greed?)
I would also buy only certified stamps (you don't need a big brain - in philately - but only a big bank account)
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Posted 04/03/2021   6:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The high-value shade wasn't available in booklet sheets, so this ain't it. Also, the cancels are very suspicious. The pair of pairs shown in the OP are worth a couple bucks each.
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Presenting the GermanStamps.net Collection - Germany, Colonies, & Occupied Territories, 1872-1945
Edited by PostmasterGS - 04/03/2021 6:37 pm
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Posted 04/03/2021   6:37 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
When the budget is small, treasure hunting is justified.
I bought all the plate flaws at the price of a common stamp.
To succeed in this I had to look for information (thank you stampcommunity, stamporama, etc.), buy catalogs (or receive them for free-thank you Postmaster GS) or other works specialized.
Is it wrong if I have accumulated information, to use them during the purchase?


cupram,
As a person who has to read every single thread and post I am pretty well schooled on how folks post, how they help, and how the community works.

In my opinion this is not about 'budgets'; it is about consideration. There are 'givers' and 'takers' in this world and this community is the same. Some folks here offer their time and try to help others. While other folks here will occasionally donate a few dollars to the community. These folks are 'givers'.

But there are others who only 'take' and give nothing back. They come into the community and not only 'take' the help they want but they selectively ignore or even push back when told they do not have an expensive stamp.

If someone is coming here (or other resources) and getting free education, if they are making money from that help; then the considerate thing to do is to 'give back'. Even if the person is of little means, they can still find ways to 'give back' (consideration even includes something as simple as listening to the help they are getting).

The 'takers' should not think that this is not understood by most people here (and at other resources). We have all seen this happen hundreds of times. A person comes and find much help but over time others figure out that there is no 'giving back'. The help slowly stops and their threads get very few responses.

And of course we also have a few people who think themselves smart and pretend the be all about 'education' and try to hide the treasure hunting; but many of us have seen this many times too. It is easy to see and the same thing happens; fewer and fewer people will offer help.

If a treasure hunter is considerate of the community and gives back what they can then I think they will continue to get plenty of help.

Stamporama forum no longer offers 'free' treasure hunter advice, it is going to paid a forum next month. This makes this forum even more valuable and I hope that everyone understands that 'consideration' is what makes this community work.
Don
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Posted 04/03/2021   6:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Naufrago has sold the same used US Scott "534B" (not) valued at $1,500 twice recently on eBay. What a joke.
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Posted 04/03/2021   6:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For those who want to see the difference between a 159a and 159 b (scroll to the bottom):
The upper right stamp of the group of six is the 159b.
https://www.stampsx.com/forum/topic.php?id=11876&
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Posted 04/03/2021   7:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
cupram,

I'll second Don's comments above, and add this.

As collectors, we all engage in treasure hunting to some degree. As a specialist collector, I do the same thing that you do -- look for rarer Michel-listed varieties in lots where the seller thinks he/she has a common stamp because they're not using Michel. That's treasure hunting, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Treasure hunting can be negative if the person asking the question is being selective in what information they give and accept in order to justify their belief that they have a "treasure". It's bad to solicit advice from others who might know more, then immediately disregard that advice when it doesn't validate the "treasure".

In my experience with you on the forum, you're doing great! Definitely giving more than you're taking. Keep at it. And I think the single stamp in your previous photo is the rarer color. The block of 4 is the common color.

Here are the two shades, common (left) and rarer (right).
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Presenting the GermanStamps.net Collection - Germany, Colonies, & Occupied Territories, 1872-1945
Edited by PostmasterGS - 04/03/2021 7:08 pm
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Posted 04/03/2021   7:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don ,PostmasterGS,

I think I understood well (with google translate) this excellent presentation of the functioning of this community.
I think I also understood the term treasure hunter correctly - the person who only takes the treasure - the information given by the other members - and does not give anything in return to the community.
Due to my lack of knowledge of English, I am very concise in my writings, but from my little philatelic knowledge I try to share with those who need them.
I hope I'm not considered a "treasure hunter" because of my previous post.
PostmasterGS- I have Michel Colour Guide but I don't do very well with the colors (I have the feeling that brown also appears in my stamp)
George
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Posted 04/04/2021   02:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cupram,

I do not think anyone thinks it is a bad thing when you look for opportunities to find an expensive stamp for your collection at a bargain price.
You are correct that can be called treasure hunting in English.
Sometimes English-speaking people use their language in a way no one teaches us continentals at school.
Any language has this. And then, there are philatelists. They use the words in a manner non-philatelists do not understand.

Your enthusiasm for German stamps is evident and valued.
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Posted 04/04/2021   10:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rich60 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don
I would lock out his account. It is apparent that he has selective hearing and is only here to advance himself not the hobby. I am here to share and educate myself - not solely to abuse the knowledge shared and run to the bank with the profits.

Rich
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Posted 04/16/2021   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add naufrago to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well,i see that the community becomes selective,that accepts only big backs collectors,and that we judge stamps hunters,because treasure hunting is a big word.Dear DON stamp collecting is a business like other one,began in the XIX century as a investment for people wanting to hide their money from the governments,so I do not see anything wrong with trying to make some bucks.About education,nobody force you to open this blog and if you think that you are wasting your time answering me is O K with me,but do not tell me the price I have to practice with my stamps,of course I will not loose money so if I paid a high price for the stamps that are worth few dollars I have to recover my money.Is true that I do not have the philatelic education that you may have,but I try to learn through my old scott specialized catalog and others forums like yours.About doing something with my account,is up to you,if you think that i'm not good for thi community go ahead and get me off.Anyway thank you for your advice and the all community,cheer
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Posted 04/16/2021   11:51 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

You can ask any price you desire, that is not the issue.

The issue (that this thread demonstrates) is that you ask for input, ignore the feedback, and then list the stamp as a costly variety.


Yes, philately can be a business and like any business sellers should know what they are doing.

When no one helps you, like in your other thread, it should speak to you. People are less likely to invest their time helping when they feel like their feedback is being ignored.
Don
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Posted 04/16/2021   12:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add naufrago to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you DON and I excuse my self if I offended someone but I can not allow myself to through my money away,about the feedback that rogdcam posted about me selling two times a 534b he is wrong first it is a 534b second if the person do not paid for sure I will put out for sale again,but anyway ,thank you very much for your help,and comments
sincerely
naufrago
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