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Posted 04/04/2021   12:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I bought this stamp at a very good price it's MNH OG very nicely centred post office fresh.
I was delighted when it came and upon closer examination I discovered a diagonal line through the "N" in cent.
I'm hoping it's a 114v if so in reality do they really command a premium or is the book just a pipe dream.

Cheers, Bill



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Posted 04/04/2021   1:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, that is 114v. The mark moves around a little bit, but you have one in the right place.
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Posted 04/04/2021   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know what people are paying for them, but, that's a nice stamp.
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Posted 04/04/2021   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice stamp - here's a 114v I have - as you can see, position of the line is just slightly different.



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Posted 04/04/2021   3:37 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How does a line move around (other than a crack or other plate flaw that might grow over time); I assume that this is not plate related?
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Posted 04/04/2021   7:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think it was on multiple positions. I've seen that stated somewhere. Hmm
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Posted 04/04/2021   7:11 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, I wonder how a similar line would be replicated on multiple positions
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Posted 04/04/2021   7:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is what Unitrade says about it - found on plate 8, both wet & dry printings, "the flaw consists of a hairline, and varies from stamp to stamp." So the flaw is not only present in a single position on the plate. A similar flaw (#114iv) is found in the V in SEVEN on plate 7 (very appropriately) - mine pictured with faint horizontal hairline in right stroke of V.

Beyond that, hopefully an expert will chime in...


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Posted 04/05/2021   2:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd like to thank all who helped out here, much appreciated.
gmot, below is a photo from the 2021 Scott Cat. and we perhaps have a different understanding of what is being stated here.
The first part of the last line says "a" hairline indicating singular, now with the section in brackets inserted where it is the word "varies" is perhaps referring to the visibility to see it some can be faint while others are quite pronounced.
The example they show was enhanced to show the hairline location more clearly.
There's no indication or mention of the location ever moving.
One more question if I may.
Would this be a wet or dry print and how do you tell?
I'm thinking dry print because I see embossing but I'm not sure.

Cheers, Bill

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Would this be a wet or dry print and how do you tell




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Posted 04/05/2021   8:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the wording in Unitrade is somewhat ambiguous. I took a look at my #114s and found 3 that have traces of a hairline in the "N" (#114v). One is quite distinct (the one I showed earlier), the other two are faint.

On further examination, it looks like the hairline is in the same position diagonally running across the entire bottom right of the "N". However, how it manifests may differ based on where & how much ink got into the hairline crack on the plate during a particular printing run. That is backed up by one of my copies where the visible ink line is shifted to the left of the one I showed earlier, but still aligned with it. So the visible flaw on a stamp can "vary" as stated in Unitrade, but the hairline crack is static.

Two of the 114v appear to be wet printing, one dry. The 114iv I have appears to be wet printing.

Disclaimer - I'm a novice in this area, so please take everything above with large heaping of salt.

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Posted 04/05/2021   8:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I took a look at my #114s and found 3 that have traces of a hairline


gmot...There are a lot of things that should be in catalouges, but are not...Here are I have that are not in catalouges....Scott 107 and Scott 128a that have hairlines.

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Posted 04/05/2021   9:13 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
RE: seven cent
Having 'weight' variance (for example running the range from heavy to faint) in a line like this understandable but I have no idea how a plate flaw line would move horizontally and/or vertically from stamp to stamp.
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Posted 04/05/2021   9:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My apologies, my explanation was not as clear as I thought. I was saying that - based on observing my stamps - the line itself does not move. What of it is visibly inked can vary, in weight, and relative positioning along the hairline (e.g. inking at the right side of the crack, but not the left).

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Here are three different lengths/locations I found in my collection. There are slight differences, including in the location.


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https://bnaps.org/hhl/Topics/BNA%20...o.%20124.pdf

Page 14 (or 140 if looking bottom left page numbers). Right side of the page, the author discusses thoughts on this issue.
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