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Seapost - Registered From Denmark To Seattle - Registered Postmark On Front From New York?

 
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Posted 05/16/2021   10:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add grisuhh62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,
I found a cover to buy dated 1912 from Kopenhagen, Denmark via "SEEPOST BREMEN - NEW YORK" (postmark on back) to Seattle, Wash. My question in this forum is about the US registered postmark on the front. Is it for example for documentaion instead a New York postmark that I am missing, cancelled in NY? There is no number in it.
Is it possible to clearly detect whether it is from NY?The second postmark I never saw till now and I do not find in my literature about German Seapost cancels is this "SEEPOST BREMEN - NEW YORK". So I think it is also for documentation, as I know from many other registered covers from that time.
But this is a secondarily question. Primarily is the US Registered postmark.


Here the images:





Many thanks and have a nice day

Juergen
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Posted 05/16/2021   12:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mml1942 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
grisuhh62:

The boxed handstamp with REGISTERED and the blank opening is a US registry marking. It was most likely applied either at Seattle, WA, either the main PO or Station F.

I am working from memory, but sometime around the start of the 20th century, countries in Europe began to prepare closed registered pouches for destinations in the US other than New York City, which was still the primary point of entry for 80% of all registered mail entering the US. The pouches were sent directly from New York to the alternate distribution Post Offices. The primary motivation was to reduce the workload at the New York Registry Division.

If I am remembering correctly on this, Chicago was one of these alternate destinations, so Chicago would receive these closed pouches, and redistribute the registered mail to other destinations in the Mid West and West Coast. Your letter received the two Double Circle markings (OCT 17, 1912) transit marking at Chicago on the reverse, and then the letter was transferred to another closed pouch and sent to Seattle. When received at Seattle, the pouch was opened, the clerk applied the double circle Seattle arrival markings (OCT 21) on the reverse.

It looks like the letter was then next sent to the Seattle, Station F, office for delivery, and here was most likely the source of the boxed REGISTERED marking. On the reverse there is a very faint double circle marking, which reads "SEATTLE, (STA. F) WASHINGTON", also dated Oct 21, 1912.


The two hand stamped numbers on the face are also Seattle markings. The smaller number, 50332, was added for recording the cover when first received received at Station F, and given to the mail carrier for delivery at the original address: 213 Nickerson Ave.

It could not be delivered, but the mail carrier apparently received a corrected address, i.e, at 2608 Mayfair Ave, which is also also near Station F. There is a red pencil/crayon marking with this corrected address.

The Official Postal Guide for July 1912 shows the location of Station F at 3422 Fremont Ave, Seattle, WA. The two delivery addresses are both nearby.

From Google maps:


The registry clerk at the Station F office then struck out the original number with a blue pencil, and applied the second number, 50462, where it was given to another carrier, and apparently delivered successfully to the Mayfair address.

Each time a registered changed hands for a subsequent delivery attempt, it was given a new number to show which carrier took possession of the letter on each occasion. This provided positive tracking information in the event there was a later question regarding delivery.

Corrections to my analysis, or other interpretations invited.

Mike
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Posted 05/16/2021   4:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add grisuhh62 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
mml1942:

many thanks for Your information!!

Here is something for Yours:





It is a part of the original agreement for the first "US German Sea Post" 1893. It is difficult with OCR because it is not in latin characters but in old German. This is the English part.

Maybe it helps You a little bit.

Regards

Juergen

P.S.: if You like - I have the hole text - in German an English.
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Posted 05/18/2021   06:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add grisuhh62 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

I got a Mail from Bernd Essler from the "TPO and Seapost Society" about the Seapost cancel.
I quote:
"this cancellation showed up from 1912 until outbreak of war, used by the brigades of German post clerks on the way from Germany to New York, only on the back side of registered letters. I assume that the American clerks were not satisfied with the German pratice of using only the normal sea post cancellation on the back side as it was practised before. The Americans clerks used for all registered letters a double circle cancellation " US.
SEA POST REG." on the way of the ships from New York to Bremerhaven and they obviously missed a similiar cancellation oft he German brigade. Therefore this cancellation was produced. They were used only on board of NDL-steamers, not on board of HAPAG-steamers. These cancellations are genuine and they are not a fake. They were never used to cancel stamps."
end of quote.

Maybe for somebody of interest.

Regards

Juergen
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