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Perforation Anomaly On Mongolian Stamp

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Posted 05/30/2021   9:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add redwoodrandy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is a high dollar mnh stamp that will sell for top dollar. Would the second perf down on the left side be considered a reason to downgrade this stamp?
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Posted 05/30/2021   10:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Opinion.
Not at all !
Sc#82 1943 A19 60 mung CV $100?
Nice burelage.

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Posted 05/30/2021   11:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Rod. I'm picky about perfs but don't mind "extra" paper. As long as there isn't MISSING paper...
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Posted 05/30/2021   11:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Same here Shermae.
Poses a quandry, I have success removing extra paper with my Prinz long pointies, but would shy away with a valuable stamp.

Cut it with a scalpel, or knife, and it would be noticeable.
Just leave it well alone.
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Posted 05/31/2021   12:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd want to look very closely at it, that side looks somewhat like a reperf job to me.
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Posted 05/31/2021   12:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If there's any reperfing, I'd say the right side is a more likely candidate with all those neat perf holes, but that stamp doesn't look reperfed to my (amateur) eyes. The paper fuzz where the perfs were punched out is a good sign of proper stamp perforating, and you see that on all sides though less so on the right.

As for the perf hole on the left, that's not an issue in any way. I'm always a little surprised to find an old stamp with a perforations still not completely open or perforated paper still stuck in the perforation cut-out, and so on. How can the owners of these stamps control themselves? I'd be tempted to "massage" it to what would look best, removing the offending bit of paper and so on. Nice stamp, by the way.
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Posted 05/31/2021   01:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd leave it and not worry. The only down grade is the piece missing from the stamp to the left, if it still exists.

To those who would want to pull the paper buy it and do what you want. Collector folks do the darnedest things. At one of my clubs a bidder purchased a nice mint NH set of plate number singles. After he won, still at the club he carefully removed all the selvage and tossed t in the waste bin. Why? stamps with selvage don't fit in the mounts of his hingeless album.
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Posted 05/31/2021   02:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I quite regularly, remove chads and fragments from used stamps.
Using the Prinz Long Pointies.
Very rarely have accidents.

What I have learnt to resist (Other than bickies in the supermarket aisle) are....

1. Doing so, on mint stamps
2. Removing ANY selvedge, it helps to prevent toning attack, from paper hairs at the ripped teeth
3. Bending selvedge over the back of the stamp, to get in a mount, it generally adheres.
4. Pulling apart stamps that are attached so very lightly by the gum being lightly fluid from humidity.
You may get 1 or 2 apart successfully, the next lifts parts off the face of the next stamp to huge disappointment.
I sacrifice the gum and soak.

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Posted 05/31/2021   04:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod catalog value is now $3,000. Quite an increase!

Parcelpostguy please explain further "I'd leave it and not worry. The only down grade is the piece missing from the stamp to the left, if it still exists."

Will post scan of reverse when I receive the scan.
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Posted 05/31/2021   04:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Rod catalog value is now $3,000. Quite an increase!



My Scott 2017 shows it at $90
(Not that I wish you anything but $3,000)
What am I missing?
I collect Mongolia, but do not have that issue.

Included here for $4.99 (Forgeries apparently)
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Posted 05/31/2021   04:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am also perplexed by the 2021 catalog value and would like more information.

Anyone have Michel? The cat. number is 66.
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Posted 05/31/2021   05:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Billsey, the stamp doesn't look reperforated to me. Even the "clean" right margin is a bit frayed in places.

It's a tough set to collect as there are many forgeries, especially used (nearly all are CTO or simply faked cancels). The set has been a gap in my Mongolia collection for a while since I got rid of my forgeries.

As for the extra but of paper on the left side, leave it. Better that way than short on your stamp.
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Posted 05/31/2021   05:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Randy,
as an aside, the last expensive Mongolia I have seen.
was in 2018
Sc#23 was listed at $750
I was outbid, (possibly by another SCF member) at $77
(Not aware of the final knock down bid.

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Posted 05/31/2021   08:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paulsonja to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This stamp used just sold at Siegel on 12/14/20 for $1600. The same stamp was previously sold at Siegel 5/21/20 for $900:

https://siegelauctions.com/lots.php...1229-lot-325

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Posted 05/31/2021   08:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pricing commentary regarding Mongolia Scott 75-82 from the Gitner Linn's column circa 2017:

https://www.linns.com/news/world-st...et-tips.html
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Posted 05/31/2021   08:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paulsonja to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link, Rogdcam. This is a very hard set to find except for #75. I have #75, #78, and #79. Early Mongolia is fascinating and tracking down genuine stamps is not for the faint of heart, especially the overprints.

Jackie
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