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Posted 05/31/2021   09:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great Link Paulsonja !
Wow! Scott is right off the mark, if it be fact this stamp is the "Key rarity" of Mongolia.
Quote : Scott $3,000 Perhaps Scott specialised?

Well done Randy..you have a winner.

I'd be curious on your next step ?
if disposing, sell privately ( eBay etc), or through large auction?

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Posted 05/31/2021   10:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paulsonja to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, rod 222. I really wanted that stamp but I could not justify the price. Looking at the perfs on the stamp, I don't think redwoodrandy has anything to worry about!

Jackie

People do make fun of Mongolia and sometimes rightfully so, but the earlies are very scarce and the only reason the catalogue value is as low as it is is because of demand. It is much scarcer than many stamps with much higher quantities but a smaller collector base. This is starting to change and prices have skyrocketed in the past 20 years--I picked up the 1 Tugrik overprint about 20 years ago for $150 with a cert.

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Posted 05/31/2021   12:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Parcelpostguy please explain further "I'd leave it and not worry. The only down grade is the piece missing from the stamp to the left, if it still exists."


It means the "extra" paper on your stamp had to come from somewhere and that location was next stamp to the left in the sheet. That stamp to the left is missing the extra chunk generously attached to your stamp. Of course there is no reason to believe that the stamp that was once attached to the left even exist today.
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Posted 05/31/2021   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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People do make fun of Mongolia and sometimes rightfully so


That is a shame, and probably arrives from an elitist bent.
Disrespect for a humble hobby, no matter what you collect, is childish.
It is disrespect for the very discipline the critic is involved in.
A bit like urinating into the wind.

Some (if readers) may wish to follow the history of human folly.
EXTRAORDINARY POPULAR DELUSIONS AND THE Madness of Crowds. (1852)

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/245.../24518-h.htm
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Posted 05/31/2021   6:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paulsonja to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I lived in Mongolia for 3 years in the 1990s and grew to love the country and her people. I can't blame them for trying to make money through selling stamps. A lot of their sets are very similar to Hungary's massive output of CTO stamps during the 1970-80's. I have a soft spot in my heart for the 1991 Flintstones visit Mongolia set as well as many of their cultural sets. I actively collect Mongolia and have a Minkus album. I don't think it's any worse than what the USPS has been putting out the last 25 years.



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Posted 05/31/2021   6:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I lived in Mongolia for 3 years in the 1990s and grew to love the country and her people.

Interesting Jackie,
One country, I regret not visiting.
As a family we hosted foreign students for years, some notable were from Manchuria.

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Posted 05/31/2021   8:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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People do make fun of Mongolia


Mongolian athletes first participated in the 1964 Olympics. Since then, with the exception of participating in the 1980 USA lead boycott, it has amassed 2 gold, 10 silver and 14 bronze medals all in just the summer games. That exceeds the total of 86 other countries in the summer games.

The best performance is in Judo, 1G, 3S and 4B. While they picked up one more silver and bronze medal in wrestling, they have no gold.

If you have read my other posts you will understand why I may know this.


On this day, Memorial Day in the USA, I will add that Mongolians also know something of horses:


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During World War II, Mongolia was the sole supplier of horses for the Soviet Union, providing half a million steeds. One of every five horses in the war front was from Mongolia. A memorial statue, depicting a Mongol horse carrying heavy guns to Berlin, was set up in Moscow.

Reckless, a Mongolian mare that served in the Marine Corps during the Korean War, became the only horse in US history to have been promoted to the rank of sergeant. The horse made 51 solo trips during a five-day battle in March 1953, carrying nearly 4500 kg of ammunition and explosives from a supply depot to the front lines. She also evacuated wounded and dead from the battlefield and quickly earned the respect of all the Marines who served with her.



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Posted 07/11/2021   3:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paulsonja to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interestingly enough (to me anyway), a used copy of Mongolia Scott #82 is in the upcoming Raritan auction. Currently at $500. So tempting. . .

Jackie

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Posted 07/11/2021   5:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Raritan tends to have quite high reserves so the $500 may be somewhat artificial.
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Posted 07/11/2021   6:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The mint copy I pictured to start the discussion went for $5,000. I was the underbidder.
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Posted 07/11/2021   6:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paulsonja to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the update. I was wondering how much it went for. Raritan has this estimated at $1000-1500 but I would not be surprised if it went for much higher. This is an extremely rare stamp. I know of 3 copies (the one you mentioned, the one I linked to at Siegel, and this one). As much as I would love this stamp, I cannot justify spending the money right now.

As a side note, some great Mongolia lots in the next Kelleher auction.

Jackie
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Posted 07/11/2021   6:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Kelleher Mongolian lots have remained unsold through more than one auction thus far. Overpriced and the early overprints are fakes.
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Posted 07/11/2021   7:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paulsonja to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am not surprised that the overprints are fake. I used to have the early overprints--1 set of fakes and 1 set that I am pretty sure was genuine (higher values with certificates). I have decided not to buy them again until I can find them with certificates, at least for the higher values. Somewhere I have an article about how to tell if they are fake and I believe it starts with which way the word "Postage" is stamped.

I have most of the 74A-F (I think that is the number) overprints--those looked ok at first glance as well as the ying/yang (I have all but the last one). 102, 103, 112, and 113 are common enough as are most of the other earlies. I have most of those but multiples are always nice. I thought the cover was interesting but I thought it was high although I don't buy covers so I have no idea what a fair price is--Correction, cover is from Raritan sale.

At a low enough price I would consider the MNH 1960-1995 collection as I am reassembling the one I sold in the early 2000's. In fact, if that was a 2 volume Minkus collection I would wonder if it was the one I sold . . .

Jackie
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Posted 07/11/2021   7:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes the stamps are genuine but the overprints are usually fakes. What company certifies Mongolia that you would accept?
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Yes the stamps are genuine but the overprints are usually fakes. What company certifies Mongolia that you would accept?


Good question. Not a lot of people certify Mongolian stamps. My certificates were German certificates. Dr. Alfred Orth would be nice :)
www.filatelia.fi/ only lists a couple of expertizers:

Mongolia Cronin, Andrew Toronto, b. 1925, AIEP 2000, [FFE1 4 (p.174) 5, PE]
Mongolia MHP .
Mongolia (pre-1945) Orth, Dr. F. Alfred Bad Hersfeld (Germany), 192593, BPP 1980, AIEP 198393
Mongolia Refky, M. A. Seen exclusively on forgeries.
Mongolia Vincke, Frhr. von Wiesbaden, BPP 1958



I think I would be very comfortable with an older certificate--I think mine were from the 80's. I guess I would take a look at the certificate and make a decision from there.

Jackie
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