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Posted 06/14/2021   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Stephen J Bukowy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Sorry, I could not get the image to properly upload. In the Crimson Auction, lot 374 Scott #278, has a green line on the left side of the stamp. This line also shows in the two certificates. My U.S. Specialized catalog does not show a line in the left margins. Can someone tell me what the line is and is it an extraneous mark (nothing about it in the certificates) or what? Thanks.
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Posted 06/14/2021   5:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stephen, do a search on this forum and enter "red line" or "rare red line" and see if that looks like what you have ( but I a different color).


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Posted 06/14/2021   5:39 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

#278 was printed in a sheet of two panes of 100 stamps each as shown here

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https://stampsmarter.org/learning/I...reLines.html

The red line (guideline) above is where the sheet was cut into two panes.
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Posted 06/14/2021   5:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For clarity, the guidelines are printed in the same main color as the stamp. The example shows red, but yours would be green if it was a guideline. (See below)

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Posted 06/14/2021   5:51 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nevermind, ignore the posts above. Here is the image of the stamp in question.

Appears to be a plate scratch?

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Posted 06/14/2021   5:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rhett to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I saw this as well in looking at that lot. The only thing I could think of was a slight slip up somewhere in the engraving or printing process. The certifiers surely saw it but they did not note it.
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Posted 06/14/2021   6:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
French's Encyclopedia of Plate Varieties on U.S. Bureau-Printed Postage Stamps has no entries for Scott 278, or 277 for that matter.

I looks like a plate scratch, but even as a diagonal line, that does not preclude a layout line used by the sideographer. Layout lines were to be buffed out when the plate was polished.

So if you win this wonderful looking item, you will be receiving a 278 with plate variety.

Me, if I win, I would send copies of both certs and a close up of the stamp to Scott to see if they would list it as a plate variety. They do do that for some issues.
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Posted 06/14/2021   6:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found another example with the same scratch. Siegel Sale 1140, Lot 673. Used pair with scratch on right stamp.

https://siegelauctions.com/lot_grd....mitNext=Next
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Posted 06/14/2021   7:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stephen J Bukowy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all of you for the information. I'll have to practice getting images to post. Thought I was following the instructions, but obviously missed at least one step.
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Posted 06/14/2021   8:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stephen J Bukowy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rogdcam, found three more: two in 2013 Siegel Auctions and one in 2006 Auction. Didn't look further back.
Learned something new today. Thanks
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Posted 06/14/2021   8:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is awesome Stephen. Best of luck if you bid on anything.
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Posted 06/14/2021   9:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From Siegel Auctions, Sale 1140, lot 673



To the OP you now can plate the location of the plate variety.

Life is so much easier when only one plate is used to print a design.
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Posted 06/15/2021   10:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jleb1979 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great find ParcelPost of the position showing damage to the plate. Must be damage as it persists and is consistent across several printings.

Below is my 278 which is in the same position, but before that damage occurred.

Very interesting -- thank you Stephen for drawing attention to this mark.

Same plate, 85, was used for the previous year's unwatermarked #263.


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Posted 06/15/2021   10:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No. The two #85 singles are not the same.
One is from the top of the left pane and one from the right pane.
Note the 8 and 5 are punched at different heights to one another - and the distance between the digits is not the same either.
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Posted 06/15/2021   11:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jleb1979, very interesting. Maybe not the same pane, but yours has a small scratch (?) in the second "L" of dollar. Is that another known variety?


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Posted 06/15/2021   11:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jleb1979 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for correcting me John, I now see that & agree.
I was so focussed on the shape of the 5 I didn't observe the relative positioning.

Wonder if we can determine which is left and which is right pane.

The National Postal Museum has a certified plate proof but it is plate 288 which is from the later special printing and not the production runs of 278. https://postalmuseum.si.edu/object/...0.242263.280 for those curious.
Wonder if they have a plate proof of 278 in a vault. They also show the bottom of a partial sheet and a bottom plate block, but not the top....

- Jonathan

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