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Something Fishy With These Deeply Discounted Forever Stamps

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Posted 06/25/2021   3:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Philazilla to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Any idea what the story might be with these forever stamps selling for less than half of face value?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363430129170

This seller has a bunch of similar listings.
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Posted 06/25/2021   3:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gwanghoops to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
anecdotally, these likely counterfeit stamps are flooding the market...last week $13-14 for a roll of 100 forever flag stamps, this week $8.
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Posted 06/25/2021   3:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stephen J Bukowy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just like the used car dealers. Losing money on every sale, but making it up with volume.
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Posted 06/25/2021   4:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Already under discussion here: http://goscf.com/t/77690

Same seller locations, Southern California, just a different format and design.

Being shipped out of City of Industry, California.
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 06/25/2021 4:12 pm
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Posted 06/25/2021   8:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
US Postal Service patents anti-fake tech for stamps:


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January 24, 2020
Counterfeiting of postage stamps remains a problem worldwide, and the US Postal Service has been working on ways to protect them with authentication technologies.
It has just been awarded a US patent No. 10,535,211 that covers an approach based on the application of an adhesive incorporating taggants that can emit luminescence in response to a signal, such as a particular light or electromagnetic energy source. It also covers the use of the taggants within the substrate of the stamp, such as paper, or the ink used to print it.

The USPS and US Postal Inspection Service (USPS) don't publish any data on just how big a problem stamp fraud is in the US or even provide an obvious way to report it but the patent suggests it isn't an insignificant problem.


https://www.postaltimes.com/postaln...-for-stamps/
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Posted 06/25/2021   8:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you really want to get steamed take a look at this link:

https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...146ef63AdxSu

China is the gift that just keeps on giving.
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Posted 06/25/2021   8:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@rodgcam, at those prices the USPS might be able to save money on printing costs.



[Edit: corrected spelling of "save" above.]
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 06/26/2021 1:34 pm
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Posted 06/25/2021   8:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 06/26/2021   12:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! US and British. Geez! And there are 54 suppliers ready to give you a quote on price. Making money at any cost to others.
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Posted 06/26/2021   02:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philazilla to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if these are collectible as postal forgeries?
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Posted 06/26/2021   08:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StevieG to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I find reading this thread quite bizarre. If this is forgery, then it should be addressed by the appropriate authorities. I wonder what would happen if some seller put up "mint fresh" one dollar American currency notes for 40 cents each on eBay. I would hope there would be a different response. Is counterfeiting different to forgery?
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Posted 06/26/2021   08:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
While I agree wholeheartedly that counterfeit stamps should be taken seriously I kind of understand the difference from currency. Currency counterfeiting if left unchecked can destroy faith in the dollar and destroy the economy. Our politicians are doing very well with the destruction portion on their own thank you very much.
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Posted 06/26/2021   11:16 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamps category is rife with these listings of counterfeits. At some point the authorities are going to take notice. Hopefully it simply becomes a matter of eBay separating current face value postage from collectible stamps rather than simply removing stamps from the platform entirely due to expediency.

These [CENSORED] criminals are going to ruin it for everyone.
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Posted 06/26/2021   7:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patg23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not too far off of people collecting large amounts of uncancelled stamps (US, GB, Australia) and selling it as discount postage.
Don't know if still popular, but at one time seemed everywhere.
Peoples philosophy seemed to be, it the PO don't care, why should I.
I hate the quick black magic marker, but it was at least it was revenue protection.
Pat
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Posted 06/26/2021   8:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Not too far off of people collecting large amounts of uncancelled stamps (US, GB, Australia) and selling it as discount postage.


Not even remotely close.

The Post Office was paid for the postage. These thieves are selling fake stamps that the Post Office never saw a penny for and when used to mail things the Post office will perform the service for free. Of course we all pay for it in the end because the rates go up.
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Posted 06/26/2021   9:03 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wrong. The PO loses exactly the same amount of money on a reused stamp as it does on a counterfeit stamp.
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