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Genuine Or Fournier/Hirschberger Forgery?

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Posted 08/18/2021   4:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just fella, yeah, show the others.

There are many differences between genuine and forgeries and I only happen to list the ones that are noted in references or that I have learned as quick reference points.
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Posted 08/18/2021   4:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are the ones I found suspect for one or another reason
If

This one looks ok but I couldn't find another ste Marie





This one could be another inking issue
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Posted 08/18/2021   5:23 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you check the perfs, that should give you the answer.
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Posted 08/18/2021   5:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The only reason I didn't rely on that is I think I need a new gauge
I'm not 100% but it seems to be off so I don't really trust it so much (thinking 1/4 or more off)
Kinda why I was looking for visual possibilities to help be sure
14.25x13.25 some are 14.25x13.5

I know I could round 14x13.5 but I learn and get to be sure if I find more possible ways to eliminate things
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Edited by Just_fella - 08/18/2021 5:41 pm
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Posted 08/18/2021   7:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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This one looks ok but I couldn't find another ste Marie

As GeoffHa noted, except for the stamp value, the basic designs across all values for the originals are essentially identical. The basic designs across all values for the Hirschbergers are essentially identical. So, country has nothing to do with being able to tell genuine vs. forgeries. There will be variations due to printing quality.

The identification characteristics are clear on all the examples here. You're overthinking things here, I think.
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Posted 08/18/2021   7:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You could be right I'll move on
Thanks
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Posted 08/18/2021   10:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The hands on the flagpole are a dead giveaway of the forgery as previously mentioned. The hand on forgery looks more clublike.

Mike
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Posted 08/19/2021   10:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Design elements provide helpful evidence, but perforation remains the simplest, easiest test. The perf gauge is an essential, basic tool. Get a good one and learn how to use it.
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Posted 08/19/2021   10:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I thought the clear view gauge by unitrade associates was good but I've questioned it too much lately after perf 10 3/4
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Posted 08/19/2021   10:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Reduce the variables. I would set the gauges aside and compare stamps directly against other stamps.

Do all the stamps you believe to be genuine match each other? Do all those you suspect of being forgeries fail to match the genuine ones? Etc.
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Posted 08/19/2021   10:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good call John Becker
I will definitely start doing that as well from now on
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Posted 08/19/2021   1:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Greaden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The perfs of the original meet in the corners. This is very evident in blocks and sheets. In the forgery, the corners are just plain funky. A perf gauge will not help in choosing stamps online, but a quick look at the corners is helpful, especially if the postmark obscures the fruit and the hand.
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Posted 08/19/2021   3:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks greaden!
Great tip
I'm definitely going to be on the look out for some :)

Thinking this is one
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/36349823476...Cclp:2334524
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Edited by Just_fella - 08/19/2021 6:47 pm
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