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Siam : Identifying Giesecke Devrient And Waterlow Erawan Court Fees

 
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Posted 08/18/2021   08:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rod222 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Guessing.
Would seek confirmation.
German? (Pale Salmon and Grey) (Both 5 Baht)

Waterlow (British)?

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Posted 08/18/2021   09:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 22crows to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This might be helpful. See entries on page 125:

http://www.jbarefoot.co.uk/pdfs/Thailand.pdf
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Posted 08/18/2021   9:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Indeed, Thanks Jill
Outline of the top letters clinched it.
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Posted 08/19/2021   11:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jossanders52 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

the first picture shown is a 1 baht Waterlow & Sons stamp. IF you can tell me the perforation I can even tell you when it was issued. These stamps were used for some 50 years! Waterlow has 3 different versions letters in the left of the top.. These letters can not be used to distinguish between Waterlow and Giesecke prints.
The second stamp shown is a Giesecke 1 baht stamp from 1915

Below are some of my court fee pages showing Giesecke and Waterlow



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Posted 08/20/2021   04:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Jos,
have been shopping in city (500km trip 14hrs)
So probably take a day to get over it.
I'll dig out the revenue for the Perforation.

Thanks for the pages! Great Stuff.
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Posted 08/20/2021   11:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jossanders52 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
During the WWII years, Thailand printed locally their own court fee stamps. Collecting those is a challenge. Due to ink and paper supply constraints, these war time stamps are printed in a variety of papers, thick, thin, smooth, coarse and there are multiple shades in each value. The shades are more challenging because many of the inks used were not stable against fading or discoloration.
Below some scans



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Posted 08/21/2021   11:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jossanders52 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think this thread is a good place to show the way to identify the various Thailand Siam Erawan court fee stamps.IN above posts there are already pictures showing the Giesecke DeVrient and Waterlow issued stamps.

Erawan stamps were used in Thailand from 1915-1983. For the unexperienced eye all these stamps look similar. However some 20 years ago, I did an extensive study to unravel the mysteries and confusion surrounding these Erawan court fee stamps.

There were 4 different printers used, Giesecke de Vrient from Germany, Waterlow, Bradburi and Thomas DeLa Rue from the UK. Each printer has some unique features in the design. In addition 1 printer can have various perforations, various kind of papers and various shades of color. The pictures below do not show all the shades and papers used.
The 5th printer, local printer in Thailand during 1942-1947 did printed also Court fee stamps, however these stamps do not have a Erawan 3 headed elephant as the design but a standing lady of Justice with scales. These stamps are already shown just above this post.

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Posted 08/22/2021   10:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As usual, Lovely work Jos.
Surprised to see such a kaleidoscope of colours on the Siamese Fiscals.
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