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Posted 10/03/2021   11:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add billsey to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I recently picked up a mostly empty set of Ka-Be pages for Austria (looks like 1850-1917), not for the minimal value stamps on them or for the pages themselves, since I do my own pages, but as a sanity check for my pages. The Ka-Be pages have added pages with a deeper degree of specialty, so page 4 has the Franz Josef issues of 1867 with the perf 9, the perf 12 and line perf 9-13. Page 4a has perf 9, 10 and 12, page 4b has 9:10, 10:9, 10:12, 10:13 and 13. Great, plenty of detail for me to work with... Unfortunately it looks like page 8a is missing. I have 8 and 8b. :(
Has anyone got these pages who would be willing to scan a few so I have an idea what should be on the missing ones? I see my page 7 is postage dues from 1894-5 but my thought was they had the dues after the postage in other European pages. It looks like the stack also has pages for Bosnia and Herzegovina and there the dues are placed behind the rest.

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Posted 10/04/2021   12:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don't have that page set, but if you can write what pages 8 and 8b have, I'm sure a quick scan of my ANK will go a long way to figuring out what 8a would have.
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Posted 10/05/2021   7:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sure, Page 8 is "onhe schutzaufdruck", so without varnish bars with issues dated 1899 and 1900/02. Values for the 1899 (Zeitungsnarken, so newspaper stamps) 2h, 6h, 10h, 20h dark rose and 20h deep carmine. The 1900/02 are 1h, 2h, 3h, 5h, 6h (I assume, the lettering has been torn off the page), 10h, 20h, 25h 30h, 40h, 50h, 60h, 1k, 1k dark rose, 2k and 4k. This page doesn't specify perfs, so I assume the default. Page 8b doesn't have any of the newspapers. The 1900/02 are called out as 10 : 12 or 12 : 10 with values of 1h, 2h, 3h, 5h, 6h, 20h, 25h, 30h, 40h, 50h, 60h, 1k, 2k and 4k. The only stamp that affixed to page 8 is the 2h newspaper, so I can't get the default perf from that. I'm assuming 8 is 10 and 8a is 12, but those could be reversed.

Page 9 is more dues, page 10 is the 1901 issues with varnish bars and no perf varieties, page 11 is the new design of 1904.
The next 'extra' page isn't until page 19, the 1916 set with the second page showing the five values on thick paper and the stamp plus label from the booklet pane. Page 19 also differentiates the 10k as clear print and hazy print. I don't see spaces for what Scott calls Ordinary Paper. I assume the ones on 19 are chalky paper and that it's thinner than what's on page 19a. :)

The extra page 20 has the express stamps, with and without "engraving marks" in 11, 12 and mixed perfs. That implies the ones on page 20 are perf 12 with engraving marks. Page 20b has pairs with labels from booklet panes in three layouts for each. I'm a little surprised they don't have the white paper/yellow paper varieties that overprinted examples for Czechoslovakia have. Maybe they were reprinted by Cz on yellow to have more stock?

The main section ends with page 22 and the 1918 airmails.
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Edited by billsey - 10/05/2021 7:44 pm
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Posted 10/05/2021   11:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are the ANK listings (from the 20/21 catalog) for each of your pages. Let me know if you think I missed something or you need something more.

Page 8

1899: no watermark, no lacquer stripes
ANK 69-83 (1h, 2h, 3h, 5h, 6h, 10h, 20h, 25h, 30h, 40h, 50h, 60h, 1K, 2K, 4K)
Type A: the heller denominations in 13:12 and 13:13, the kroner denominations in 12
Type B: all denominations in 10
Type C: all denominations in 12
Type D: all denominations (except 10h) in 10:12
Type E: all denominations (except 10h) in 12:10

1901: like 1899, but with lacquer stripes
ANK 84-96
Perf 13:12 or 3:13

1899: newspaper stamps, without lacquer stripes, imperforate
ANK 97-100

Page 9

1901: newspaper stamps, with lacquer stripes, imperforate
ANK 101-104

Page 19

1916: no watermark, perf 12
ANK 185-199
Variants:
5h without (186) and with (186x) St. Andrew's Cross
Also on thick paper: 3h (185y), 5h (186y), 10h (188y), 40h (194y), 50h (195y)

Page 20

1916: express stamps (triangular), no waterpark, perf 12, yellow paper
ANK 217-218

1917: express stamps (rectangular), no watermark, yellow paper
ANK 219-220
Variations:
A: 12
AK: as A, with St. Andrew's Cross
B: 11
BK: as B, with St. Andrew's Cross
C: 11:12
CK: as C, with St. Andrew's Cross
D: 11:12
DK: as D, with St. Andrew's Cross
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Edited by classic_paper - 10/05/2021 11:54 pm
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Posted 10/06/2021   11:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, that should help a lot.
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