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Posted 10/20/2021   12:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add sharons25 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Good evening!

I need help to ID the embossed stamp and the type of wrapper used to make the envelope? This what I saw as a cut square and the description said that it was rare. Could this be the same or is it something else? It is also the first time I have encountered this type of envelope it is open on both ends. Would it have a watermark as envelopes do? I have attached images for you to examine.

Thanks,

Sharon

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Posted 10/20/2021   08:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Let us unpack this. If the description said that this was rare did it assign a Scott number? There are 25 Scott numbers for this design and the telling the differences require a lot of experience and education. Determining paper type/color and bust details are key. Depending upon these factors the values range from 25 cents to several thousand dollars used. Always assume that you have the most common variety and work from there.

You need to provide a closeup and clear image of the bust design as well as a full image of the front of the piece.
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Posted 10/20/2021   1:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sharons25 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for response, I took several more pictures tried to get a good clear image.





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Posted 10/20/2021   2:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The only wrapper of this design is W316, which lists at $7 for a used entire in my 2017 Scott Specialized. Even among the more detailed listings in the Postal Stationery Society catalog, there are none above $50.
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Posted 10/20/2021   6:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
sharons25, many thanks for the updated images. You might delete the second image in the original post which shows the back of some envelope. Be aware that phones reuse image numbers so you might not get the intended image posted which I am guessing is what happened here.

Here is the major die type I that that person may have been talking about:

this is from an old Scott Specialized showing the die type that the cut square rarity could come from. However, the rarities are on the scarcer paper colors: blue, manila and amber manila which are pretty distinctive vs. the usual white or amber. These particular cut squares would only be from envelopes. If the color was not obvious from any scan provided, I would question the identification.
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Posted 10/20/2021   6:37 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As John mentioned, the ONLY possibility is W316 (bust pointing to second notch) because it is a wrapper. There is no Die 1 wrapper and the paper color can only be manila.
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Posted 10/20/2021   6:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What happened to the envelope?
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Posted 10/21/2021   09:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is anyone having the same problem as I am?

Image number 2 looks like a typical V-shaped (non-wrapper) knife.

Image number 7 looks like a typical wrapper knife (edge-to-edge gradual curve).

I think I'm seeing two different pieces of stationery.
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Posted 10/21/2021   09:55 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the original poster's second image is a uploading mistake.
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