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Posted 11/05/2021   3:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add bicolor1875 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message



Torres illustrated many european classic albums ... the image shows FRance album. he also produced private prints, packets nd covers.

his work parallels the forgers of japan very well.

read more ....

https://kobans.blogspot.com/search?q=TORRES
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Posted 11/05/2021   3:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fascinating and so useful. Many, many thanks for this.
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Posted 11/05/2021   6:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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governments claimed the artists were forgers, misinterpreting their contribution to philately.

Huh?

The album prints are facsimiles; all others are forgeries.

For being on a platform, the internet, that also says that orgone pucks destroy reptilians and demons, sources would be useful rather than a barebones blog post. If you like easy and wrong answers spoonfed to you, you got it here.

There is confusing and confused information posted. IJPO refers to Japanese post offices abroad. Certainly it has no meaning then for mint stamps. I assume that the author means genuine postal issues.

Very blurry images of the Torres forgeries imply that actual items were not used for study. You can decide if that is a trustworthy method. I think that in the majority of cases, no. Proof of a Torres forgery is a complete failure if you actually compare the genuine stamp posted with its supposed forgery and printing plate image.

The author implies that Maeda litho forgeries were actually created by Torres. floortrader has already shown and proven that there were identifiable plate varieties of litho forgeries. http://goscf.com/t/78934& The author implies Maeda forgeries are the same as sold by Spiro Bros. Since the latter are sometimes known in full sheets, then the plate varieties should be identifiable. The author shows a 10 sen Spiro sheet but does not correlate the Torres forgeries shown with any position there. Instead, he correlates an alleged forgery with a single printing plate image, which doesn't match. Plus, why would the Spiros and Maeda print their own style of cancels on the supposedly common forgeries instead of just having whoever printed the forgeries add "cancels" at the same time?

Look carefully. No printing plate image matches ANY alleged Torres forgery.

With the covers shown, the author says that that Torres forgeries were postal forgeries.

Jul 02, 2020 post: In any case, heavily distorted blowup images from the 10 sen pair cover are not at all convincing and do not constitute proof.

Again, in the Torres NC post (05-20-2021), we are shown a blurry alleged Torres forgery that is far closer overall if not the same as to the genuine than the printing plate image. A thin frame on one stamp does not convince; this could easily be an artifact from printing of the genuine. Plus the Torres printing plate shows a THICKER frameline than the printed genuine.

This is really bad research.
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This is really bad research.


What great timing given the discussion going on here as to reasons why people do not share information:

http://goscf.com/t/78972
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I think it's just the opposite, where things like the expense of publishing actual books or research subject to peer review doesn't provide a readymade filter to keep out junk.
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Posted 11/05/2021   8:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Please Here is a comparison from my forgery collection ,sounds like that guy made drawings for publishers .

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I am sorry but the work done by this TORRES is not at the level of being called a forgery , I think people need to study the subject better .

I agree with what HY-BRASIL said .
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Posted 11/05/2021   9:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Moving on.
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Posted 11/07/2021   5:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bicolor1875 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ISJP 2003 CD reports 2 unknown 5sen



these are TORRES facsimiles...

Torres was prolific and travelled both europe and america on selling missions. he escaped prosecution in UK and USA.

HES collectors here can start their exploration of TORRES work. France archives are a good source ... as Gerhard Lang articles.

cheers all !

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Edited by bicolor1875 - 11/07/2021 5:11 pm
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Posted 11/07/2021   5:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bicolor1875 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
for reference ...

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more ... the Gerhard Lang article outlines his life and work

https://www.google.com/search?q=ros...ient=gws-wiz
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Edited by bicolor1875 - 11/07/2021 6:18 pm
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TORRES lithographs ex Moens catalog ...

NB dimensions can vary ...



some may appear as fakes with cancels .
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Edited by bicolor1875 - 11/09/2021 11:22 pm
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Posted 11/09/2021   8:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
bicolor1875, blurry images do not provide convincing evidence.

If you are saying the plate shown is responsible for the printed forgery shown, that is not so. Compare the lettering in the top and bottom panels and the printing plate image and forged stamp are totally different.

Scott uses actual stamp images today; facsimile images haven't been used for many, many years. A quick check of a 1988 Scott catalog shows that their 1 sen and 5 sen illustrations do not match either the color album prints nor the Moens examples. Can you show us the ones used by Scott?
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Edited by hy-brasil - 11/09/2021 8:34 pm
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search internet for 19c albums catalogs ... please refrain from negative remarks.
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here is USB DRIVE with early SCOTT catalog

https://www.ebay.at/itm/254708584147
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