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Posted 11/28/2021   11:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jrh2of3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Been collecting over 60 years and haven't a clue where this is from. Have checked all the oriental countries in Scott's to no avail. Perhaps a revenue?
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Posted 11/29/2021   12:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a Japanese Revenue to me.
Nothing similar in my collection.
Sometimes I come across difficult ones Jap Occup of Korea.
Unlisted Narumi Rev Catalogue.
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Edited by rod222 - 11/29/2021 12:50 am
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Posted 11/29/2021   01:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Only success with Boogle

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Posted 11/29/2021   03:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Unlisted in Shimomura 1965.
Ergo, I doubt this is Japanese.
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Posted 11/29/2021   11:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuikka to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The characters are Chinese (which were used in Japan, too). That means it should be used in area under Chinese or Japanese speaking administration.
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Posted 11/29/2021   12:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The symbol in the upper center is similar to a Chinese stamp, 1 Ca. Mollendorf Set from 1897, but I think that all Empireal Chinese stamps had Latin letters too.
So my guess - Chinese revenue.
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Posted 11/29/2021   1:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuikka to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My son provided partial translation of this stamp.

NW corner: Gold
NE corner: No/not
SE corner: Move
SW corner: - (could not read)

Center: 50 yuan/yen/dollar (choose your preference)

Flanking the center: Earn

My son can read Chinese, but that appears to work for Japanese, too.
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Posted 11/29/2021   1:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Shouldn't there be a Chrysanthemum symbol on Japanese stamps of that era?
Yet the two branches remind me of the Japanese cherry blossom set.
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Posted 11/29/2021   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuikka to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think you are correct. However, I don't know if that would have applied to local ones.
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Posted 11/29/2021   4:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt very much Chinese.
Further, the leaves are Olive branches, that would be extraordinary
if on an official Japanese stamp of that period.

The first possibly the "end of the war" Dove and Olive branch of 1949

I am tending towards a Product Quality seal of some sort.
The only negative there, if the translation is correct, the centre being a currency value.

The red chop, does not look like any sort of postage stamp cancellation.
The perforations look un professional.


The top circular design, looks teasingly familiar, but dashed if I could find the source.


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Posted 11/29/2021   4:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuikka to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have used Chinese in a wider sense. It includes also Malysia and Singapore in minimum. Possibly other near by areas. But again, it could be Japanese.

The red cancel looks a bit like chop. That is kind of personal seal that equals signature. Typically at least in Taiwan and most likely in China they use red ink. Besides of people, also organizations and companies have chops. I feel that could be in line with some kind of revenue use. There is no mention of post, so unlikely to be a postage stamp.

The round symbol includes 2 additional characters, but they have twisted so much that my son was not sure about them.

Edit: Corrected typos
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Edited by kuikka - 11/29/2021 4:49 pm
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Posted 11/29/2021   4:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jrh2of3 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all. So glad I found this forum.
You've been very helpful!
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Posted 11/29/2021   5:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Next argument,
Japan.
I find absolutely NO reference ever, to a Japanese chop, or Postmark
that does not have a lined / smooth deliniated border.
They are all tidy confined impressions.

The stamp offered here, does not conform, it has a flowery edge.

Ergo, that further tends me towards a Japanese or other HALLMARK or PRODUCT SEAL.

to add weight to that supposition I over this Japanese Silk TRADEMARK SEAL with a similar flowery edge hand strike (albeit in a differing colour)


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Posted 11/29/2021   6:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuikka to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent example which shows that if the issuing authority doesn't represent the 'crown', the design doesn't need to have chrysanthemum. It clearly supports your position of Japanese origin.

Edit: my comment on chop is not intended to be against Japanese origin. I know its usage in Taiwan but I don't know about the usage in Japan, which may be similar or different.
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Edited by kuikka - 11/29/2021 6:55 pm
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