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Posted 12/17/2021   09:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add alub to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is from a package that was going to Australia.




Any idea what is going on with mail to Australia?
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Posted 12/17/2021   12:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oldboldandbrash to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This has been a thing for like half the year, Australia is on lockdown and refusing packages and most mail except letters. The USPS still has a notice put out for it
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Posted 12/17/2021   12:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjpalermo1964 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is worth making an upright, in-focus scan to add to Don's "pointing hand" database.
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Posted 12/17/2021   12:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add erilaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The company I work for has attempted to send some parcels to Australia, which have been returned with similar stickers.
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Posted 12/17/2021   12:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Alub, would it be worth showing this in the Australian forum, so we might get a reason for this weird happening?


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Posted 12/17/2021   5:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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...so we might get a reason for this weird happening?


As noted in a previous post, the Covid (and various variants) country lock-down.

On same theme, India suspended mail service to the USA for the same reason, Covid, specifically Covid impacts, on December 8th 2021 to last until at least January 31, 2022. No mail for the USA will be accepted in India during the period. Sellers on eBay have to either refund and cancel the order or buyer needs to agree for the item(s) to be held until mail service resumes. Me, I cancelled with one seller but can't afford (from a collecting point of view) to lose an item as part of a large purchase from a different seller.
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Posted 12/17/2021   5:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
COVID? What does it have to do with the mail?

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Posted 12/17/2021   5:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Depending on the strain, some forms of COVID can live up to 5 days on paper. Which means that it can spread though the P.O. system and infect an unknown number of victims.
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Posted 12/17/2021   5:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
some forms of COVID can live up to 5 days on paper


I thought having imports sitting on the dock for a week or more was standard operating procedure these days.
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Posted 12/17/2021   6:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That does nothing for the possibility of infecting people at the time the letter/package is mailed. Plus anyone handling it who might be sick, anywhere along the way. It might still infect any number of people during it's travels.
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Posted 12/17/2021   6:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Depending on the strain, some forms of COVID can live up to 5 days on paper. Which means that it can spread though the P.O. system and infect an unknown number of victims.


From the CDC:


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Surface Survival

Numerous researchers have studied how long SARS-CoV-2 can survive on a variety of porous and non-porous surfaces 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15. On porous surfaces (paper, wood, cardboard), studies report inability to detect viable virus within minutes to hours; on non-porous surfaces, viable virus can be detected for days to weeks. The apparent, relatively faster inactivation of SARS-CoV-2 on porous compared with non-porous surfaces might be attributable to capillary action within pores and faster aerosol droplet evaporation 16.

Data from surface survival studies indicate that a 99% reduction in infectious SARS-CoV-2 and other coronaviruses can be expected under typical indoor environmental conditions within 3 days (72 hours) on common non-porous surfaces like stainless steel, plastic, and glass 10, 11, 12, 13, 15. However, experimental conditions on both porous and non-porous surfaces do not necessarily reflect real-world conditions, such as initial virus amount (e.g., viral load in respiratory droplets) and factors that can remove or degrade the virus, such as ventilation and changing environmental conditions 8, 9. They also do not account for inefficiencies in transfer of the virus between surfaces to hands and from hands to mouth, nose, and eyes 8, 9. In fact, laboratory studies try to optimize the recovery of viruses from surfaces (e.g., purposefully swabbing the surface multiple times or soaking the contaminated surface in viral transport medium before swabbing). When accounting for both surface survival data and real-world transmission factors, the risk of fomite transmission after a person with COVID-19 has been in an indoor space is minor after 3 days (72 hours), regardless of when it was last cleaned 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15.


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...mission.html
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Posted 12/17/2021   6:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Three days is still a long time to infect people. And that was before the new current variation. No one knows how long that will last on anything yet.
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Posted 12/17/2021   8:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 12/17/2021   9:25 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Three days is still a long time to infect people. And that was before the new current variation. No one knows how long that will last on anything yet.


Coronaviruses have been around, and infecting humans, since at least 5000 BC. Coronavirus 'variants' occur every year, and have been killing humans, since that time. This includes the Spanish Flu of 1918 which killed an estimated 50 million. For whatever reason(s), some folks appear to want others to think of COVID as something other than a flu, but it is not some zombie apocalypse.

As to the COVID transmission by fomites (on surfaces), research is that COVID virus might be transmissible on a surface if a person has coughed or sneezed on it within an hour or two. (See "Exaggerated risk of transmission of COVID-19 by fomites" Emanuel Goldman PMC US National Library of Medicine. I cite this example because I spend large amounts of time in the NIH research library and a lot of it does not reflect 'real life' situations but rather has an agenda.) According to the CDC, the odds of getting COVID a contaminated surface has less than a 1 in 10,000 chance. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...mission.html (They put an unrealistic load of virus on a surface and if you touched it 10,000 times you would contract COVID once.)

I have put food on my table for many years via NIH grants and I can say for certain that the NIH is greatly influenced by money and politics. For example, Moderna and Pfizer have much closer financial ties with the NIH than does J&J and in my opinion, this influence has been reflected in various recommendations.

The NIH hands out over $6.1 BILLION in grants, the 'doctors' who are in the NIH may have originally started with pure motives but within a year or two they quickly learn to play the game. The majority of the NIH management are elitist bureaucrats who are mostly concerned with money and power. Many of the NIH 'medical doctors' have not actually practiced medicine in decades and certainly have never treated any COVID patients.

And just as worrisome is the money being made by companies like Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J. It is estimated that Pfizer has already made in excess of 24 BILLION dollars on this latest corona flu.

In my opinion people really need to wake up and understand this fear mongering is about money and power. Flus like the N1H1, Swine flu, Spanish flu, etc. can be devastating to unhealthy people and sometimes even generally healthy individuals. But what is vastly different this time around is that a flu has been politicized and heavily monetized.

The division in our society is now existential, the 'new normal' is now that everyone is either on one team or the other.

We have allowed this to happen. We sat on our hands, at times gleefully participating, in the divisiveness that was being sold by the media, Big Pharma, Big Tech, and politicians. We get what we deserve; a society divided into two groups that view each other with hatred and distain. We have discarded of any chance of civil communication, discourse, honest debate, true science, and any possible pragmatic understandings.

And unfortunately, the divisiveness has now also permeated healthcare and healthcare research. Two things that were traditionally about 'people' have been transformed and are now as divisive as the rest of the world.
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Posted 12/17/2021   9:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think we can safely say that this had a LOT to do with what has happened since......

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/17/poli...9/index.html
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Posted 12/17/2021   10:12 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think that your link is a good example of divisiveness that I speak of, thank you for posting it.

Science has become the playground of divisiveness. Why? Because science is never settled and always pushes forward with new efforts to understand more. As such, people can always start research, or post research, that supports 'their team's' agenda.
Medical research is not nearly as obvious as the link in Rev's post, you have to look much harder to see which 'team' the researcher or funding is on.
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