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Posted 01/18/2022   09:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rrogers to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello, I have these two copies of Scott's #82. In the listing it states that these stamps could have telephone or telegraph office cancellations which decrease their value. Can someone tell me about the cancellations on these two? How do you determine if it is one of the above cancellations? Why do these reduce the value of the stamps? Thanks to any and all who respond.
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Posted 01/18/2022   10:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Simple answer the telegraph cancel is considered a revenue cancel and not postal useage .
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Posted 01/18/2022   3:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Roy,
I believe the cancel on the left hand stamp, is Telegraphic.
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Edited by rod222 - 01/18/2022 3:52 pm
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Posted 01/18/2022   10:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the small undate double circle cancel is telegraphic.

The characters indicated read DENSHIN = telegraph, here reading L to R. If they appear in any cancel, it is assumed to be a telegraphic and not postal usage.

A clearer rendering of the the characters.

The other cancel is postal. Top line is the province (reading R to L), HIZEN. The second line is city/town, here NAGASAKI.
Below the line is the date (reading R to L) with year (can't read), 4th month (April), second line 30th day.
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Edited by hy-brasil - 01/18/2022 11:00 pm
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Posted 01/18/2022   11:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice work HB
Saved.
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Posted 01/19/2022   08:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rrogers to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you hy-brasil very good information.
Rod222 you mentioned that you 'saved' HB's info.
I'm curious ... what and how do you save this type of info?
I'd like to do the same.
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Posted 01/19/2022   10:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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what and how do you save this type of info?


Roy,
the same way HB showed my stamp.
A simple screen grab crop.
I use the text string "0000 Telegraph Denshin HB SCF"
attached to the image.
which sits at the top of my Japan Telegraph Folder
as primary information when sorting my Telegraph stamps.
Good philately involves organisation.
And HB's Knowledge and information, is preserved.
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Edited by rod222 - 01/19/2022 10:08 am
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Posted 01/19/2022   10:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oops. duplication.
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Edited by rod222 - 01/19/2022 10:02 am
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Posted 01/19/2022   10:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rrogers to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Rod222; I also just discovered this...

The circled 'button' will give you a html link to the post that you can use to create a shortcut to the particular reply. I'm sure you probaly know that but maybe other, like me, are unaware of its use.
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Posted 01/19/2022   12:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Indeed, a good way to preserve pertinent links.
I have a 1980's MSWorks database for those.

My collection in general is an image based and *.pdf collection
hence the way I save,
My theory is Images are forever, links are temporary at best.


The online works of the late Anne Mette Heindorff (Denmark)
and Jay T Carrigan. (United States)
Fabulous knowledge and industry over years, Sadly, now fragmented and lost to us, by the temporary medium we correspond in.


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Edited by rod222 - 01/19/2022 12:07 pm
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Posted 01/19/2022   3:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rrogers to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Rod222 you are right on. I was thinking the same thing over lunch.
Did the people you mention have their posts disappear?
It would be nice to be able to save a Topic as a PDF document :-)
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Posted 01/19/2022   6:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Did the people you mention have their posts disappear?


Not posts here, both had their own fabulous Websites
which naturally disappeared after their passing.

Regarding *.pdf of posts here, one has to be respectful of copyright,
all mine are free to use, but others may be offended.
Tread carefully.

Example of Ann Mette's work here
http://www.slaniastamps-heindorffhus.com/
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Edited by rod222 - 01/19/2022 7:10 pm
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Posted 01/20/2022   07:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is it possible these days to save an entire website where it is fully functional at least to all links in the domain?

I had saved Ann Mette's website years back in 2005.
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