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Posted 02/10/2022   09:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lorry - I did miss that. Siegel was the one I did not check. Every other one had no such language. Your observation is interesting and makes more sense from Siegel's perspective. Their catalogs, unlike many others, obviously take a lot of effort to put together and become reference works on their own. If you use Siegel's site directly everything is visible. I was surprised that others such as Cherrystone and Harmer-Schau had no such language.
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Posted 02/10/2022   09:52 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On their site, they have a different worded 'Guidelines'...


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...Siegel authorizes you to view and download a single copy of the Content solely for your personal, non-commercial use, or in the case of dealers, to display to your clients solely for purposes of facilitating a transaction with Siegel.

Siegel authorizes individuals and non-profit organizations to use excerpts from Content in non-commercial articles and projects, provided that a credit line identifying "Siegel Auction Galleries" as the source appears with the Content or in an easily referenced list of sources. Siegel reserves the right to have you modify or remove Content, and you agree to do so within ten days of Siegel's request...

https://siegelauctions.com/guidelin...rictions.php

But perhaps the copyright of their catalogs is different than the website content?
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Posted 02/10/2022   4:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Even a single bid on an item raises its viewability by orders of magnitude on default searches putting more eyes on the item.



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This explains a lot. Never noticed this nuance as I rarely have sold anything on eBay. But what I have noticed is that many sellers I believe to be shill bidding their own lots always seem to get 2 or 3 very low, very early bids. Usually in the first couple of hours after the lot goes live. Could never figure out "the why" of it before reading this tidbit.


It is not like eBay shouts the information about viewability but here in the Shilling Policy it does reference it. The high highlight is mine.

Shill bidding is when someone bids on an item to artificially increase its price, desirability, or search standing.


Policy overview

Shill bidding happens when anyone—including family, friends, roommates, employees, or online connections—bids on an item with the intent to artificially increase its price or desirability. In addition, members cannot bid on or buy items in order to artificially increase a seller's feedback or to improve the item's search standing.

Make sure you follow these guidelines. If you don't, you may be subject to a range of actions, including limits of your buying and selling privileges and suspension of your account. Shill bidding is also illegal in many places and can carry severe penalties.
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Posted 02/10/2022   4:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
PPG - Wrong topic?
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Posted 02/10/2022   8:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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PPG - Wrong topic?


No. A review of the posts on page eight of this topic will show I am within topic. It also may appear back on page seven. Page eight is from where my quotes were lifted.

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Posted 02/16/2022   1:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Let's see paying to bid ,paying to ship ,paying state sales tax plus paying 20% ,guess there will be less interest for me to increase my bids .

I figure out losing one very active bidder the Stamp auction firm can lose about $20,000 a year in sales ,how this works is one bidder who stays in thru 3 or 4 uping bids ,leaves another buyer with hundreds of dollars in savings .
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Posted 02/16/2022   7:46 pm  Show Profile Check KGV Collector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I figure out losing one very active bidder the Stamp auction firm can lose about $20,000 a year in sales ,how this works is one bidder who stays in thru 3 or 4 uping bids ,leaves another buyer with hundreds of dollars in savings .


Its just like taking your hand out of a bucket of water.....
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Posted 02/16/2022   7:50 pm  Show Profile Check KRelyea's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KRelyea to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
$49 is less than 1 increment when you're bidding at your level!
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Posted 02/16/2022   8:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A lot of the firms we all know, and love sell multi-millions per annum. They do not want to lose bidders, but it one $20,000 bidder won't be missed after they have their lunch especially now when lots of new faces have entered the arena AND the resellers NEED to be bidders at the usual suspects sales. Either that or switch to selling Beany Babies or just hang it up. Where else do most, let us say, eBay resellers continue to acquire their material? Craigs List?

Stamp auctions are a lot like Vegas casinos. They always win in the end. Unless the screw up really bad like Regency-Superior or drink the profits. I can see why they do well given the obscene double-ended commissions. I also enjoy watching the same material go under the hammer scores of times whether it be a single stamp or a large lot that has been picked, rearranged, recalculated, redressed, reconstituted, regenerated.... Let's face it, most of the stuff being sold now has been around the block soooo many times and earned the Houses 40% total over and over and over and over.
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Posted 02/16/2022   9:56 pm  Show Profile Check KRelyea's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add KRelyea to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rogdcam I agree, there are very few domestic auction firms that sell the material I need for my business, and the need is constant. Occasionally I have a problem with a firm but I have to be careful I can't afford to antagonize an auction house, I need them more than they need me. On eBay there is always another seller but not so with public auctions.

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Posted 02/25/2022   2:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ken R. ---your right ,it is less than one bid ,besides I like working thru SAN's .
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