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Posted 04/03/2022   08:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
While we are at it there is another thing that bothers me. It would be logical that whatever specific Country information is in the Classic Specialized would be the same in its respective WW catalog volume section. Right? You would not have two different efforts towards the same thing taking place. And yet I will lookup things in the Classic after looking in the WW and year after year one has been edited out of its mistakes and the other has not. When I purchase the electronic version of the same Country the same mistakes that are in the hardbound version are still there.

If this data entry was being done in a way that was universal to Scott catalog entries regardless of what the finished compilation (volume) was this could not be. At the very least I fully expect the electronic version to be fully and constantly updated. It is really irksome to login and see the exact same misinformation that I have in my hard copy that has been wrong for years on end even when the issue is communicated to Scott repeatedly.
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Posted 04/03/2022   09:08 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not familiar with the Scott catalogues, but isn't the Specialised version designed to be more detailed than the general world catalogue, as in the significant shifts between, say, the GB sections of Gibbons' Stamps of the World, its GB concise and its GB Specialised? Or perhaps not.
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Posted 04/03/2022   10:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Geoff - Yes, it is. Some Countries such as Russia however offer nothing more than the standard catalog. No cover prices or more varieties. It is rather shocking considering the scope of Russia philatelically both in material and number of collectors.
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Posted 04/03/2022   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I fully expect the electronic version to be fully and constantly updated.


This is one of many problems with the way they present the catalog, as an electronic version of the normal hardcopy layout. Making routine updates isn't as easy as just adding some lines in a database table -- it requires rebuilding the page layouts in whatever graphic/publishing program they use to design the hardcopy catalog. Considering the amount and frequency of worldwide updates just for new issues, it makes it hard to do updates any more frequently than the regular annual updates.
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Posted 04/03/2022   11:18 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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This is one of many problems with the way they present the catalog, as an electronic version of the normal hardcopy layout. Making routine updates isn't as easy as just adding some lines in a database table -- it requires rebuilding the page layouts in whatever graphic/publishing program they use to design the hardcopy catalog. Considering the amount and frequency of worldwide updates just for new issues, it makes it hard to do updates any more frequently than the regular annual updates.


And this is yet another lost opportunity by Amos. Were this system truly data-driven, they could flag listings either with icons or color coding so you could see at-a-glance when the stamp's listing was last updated, e.g., "within last 30 days", 180 days, 365 days, etc., with the exact date of update "under the hood", i.e., displayed in the full data once you clicked on the listing.

This would be a great boon to collectors to have a visual indicator as to which sections of a country's listings they should give closer scrutiny.
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Posted 04/03/2022   11:33 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What!?! A revision history for every catalog number!?! Oh my gosh, welcome to 1996. I do not fault an organization for not being on the bleeding edge of the tech curve, it is very risky and potentially costly. But being 25 years behind the tech curve?

Imagine being able to run a report to see the revision history for any catalog number; the date of the change, what was changed, why it was changed, etc. If I can develop and implement a SQL database for every US stamp (years ago), there is no reason why any organization with more resources could not also. And gee, sound like the kind of details which would justify a higher cost subscription (along with many other capabilities).
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Posted 04/03/2022   11:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm not familiar with the Scott catalogues, but isn't the Specialised version designed to be more detailed than the general world catalogue, as in the significant shifts between, say, the GB sections of Gibbons' Stamps of the World, its GB concise and its GB Specialised? Or perhaps not.


You'd expect that, but at least 80% of the content is identical - as in, no more detailed in the Specialized than the general. Which can be annoying as there is in most cases there is no indication in the general that you should check the specialized for a particular section.

Leaving aside the issue that in many areas, including some common collecting areas, the specialized is really not specialized at all - e.g. large majority of early Netherlands perf varieties. Not that the Yvert Classique is any better frankly.
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Posted 04/03/2022   11:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Leaving aside the issue that in many areas, including some common collecting areas, the specialized is really not specialized at all - e.g. large majority of early Netherlands perf varieties.


There does come a point where an actual country specialized catalog is a requirement, although in Scott's case the US specialized still leaves much to be desired.
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Leaving aside the issue that in many areas, including some common collecting areas, the specialized is really not specialized at all - e.g. large majority of early Netherlands perf varieties. Not that the Yvert Classique is any better frankly.


The use of the term "specialized" is subject to interpretation. The Classic Specialized *IS* specialized compared to the regular Scott volumes. It will never be as specialized as individual country-specific catalogues will be, but I think that any expectation that it would be as specialized as offerings from Michel, Yvert, Facit et al would be unreasonable.

I challenge anyone to provide a single-volume WORLDWIDE catalogue that is as comprehensive as the Classic Specialized is. For collectors of worldwide classic-era material, it is IMO the best single-volume catalogue out there.

I chastize Amos and their catalogue offerings all the time. The one exception where I believe they blow away the competition is the Classic Specialized catalogue. There's nothing else like it. If only they capitalized upon that advantage...
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More information is being added to the Classic Specialized in every edition.

Russian stamps on cover are generally included in the listings through the revolution.

I haven't looked at the standard catalogue's listing for Netherlands recently, but I'd be shocked if they're identical to the current listings in the 2022 Classic Specialized, which really does go into a fair amount of detail. Many perf varieties are listed (though I'm sure there are more).

The Classic Specialized is the one bright spot in the Scott firmament. I read a few years ago that it was nearing the physical limitations of binding methods, and would have to be split into two volumes at some point. I sure hope that day is still a ways off.
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Posted 04/03/2022   12:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Russian stamps on cover are generally included in the listings through the revolution.


That is not saying much given that after 1917 (or Scott 141) there are zero on cover listings including BOB. From 1918 onward the Specialized is a carbon copy of the Standard.
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Posted 04/03/2022   2:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I challenge anyone to provide a single-volume WORLDWIDE catalogue that is as comprehensive as the Classic Specialized is. For collectors of worldwide classic-era material, it is IMO the best single-volume catalogue out there.


Well, there's 2 other equivalents that I'm familiar with. The 1-volume Yvert Classique that also goes to 1940 and the Michel Klassik that goes to 1900 (in 2 small volumes, one Europe, other overseas, so think it's fine to consider it as one).

The Yvert is considerably more detailed than Scott for French/French colonies, unsurprisingly, on par for many other countries, definitely less detailed for some, such as US/Canada. I do find it a little erratic in its level of detail - some areas are great, others where I'd expect good coverage - Lombardy-Venetia is an example - are significantly less informative than Scott specialized.

The Michel Klassik in general is more comprehensive for perf variations and varieties, particularly for Europe and colonies. For areas like Latin America it has equivalent detail to Scott specialized. Overall, I'd call it the best single reference to older WW issues. But it only goes up to 1900 so it can afford to be, if it went to 1940 it would be massive.

Of course no one catalogue can - or should be - detailed enough for everything - that is the role of truly specialized catalogues. In any case, all catalogues must balance the competing goals of complexity, abstraction and target audience in order to be as useful to their readers as possible. Generally I think Scott specialized is pretty good - certainly it's the one catalogue I turn to the most, and Amos does add meaningful new material to it regularly (e.g. Tunisia perf postage dues).
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Posted 04/03/2022   2:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This has been a fantastic thread to follow. So many thoughtful and insightful comments. My takeaway is there is a consensus that value received at the pricing levels of Scott's electronic offerings is the issue. At least some people would be willing to pay the price if the product was that much better which we all seem to agree it is not.

Too bad Scott did not ask first. The feedback is free and valuable.
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Posted 04/03/2022   5:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yvert Classiques had one distinct advantage for me...telegraph stamps. My only other resource was Byrum.

That feature became less essential once Barefoot released their "Hiscocks 2.0" catalogue. I still picked up the 2020 Classiques, and I'll probably get the next one when it comes around in 2025 (presumably).

I think it's fair to say that Scott still packs quite a bit more information into the Classic Specialized, but it's nice to have other perspectives.
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Posted 04/04/2022   06:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The only opinions on Scott's numbering copyright that counts are legal rulings. The last case I know was by Krause with supposedly some of the best IP attorneys ended up as a settlement with Krause being allowed to publish a cross reference. I suspect Krause did not see the benefits outweighing the legal costs. Some hailed it as a win for collectors but Krause exited the stamp business.

Even if there was some liberalization of the licensing, I do not think it would lead to more user friendly products. I see all their actions as minimizing expense.

What if someone tried to create a similar numbering called "Skot" numbers!

Interestingly, I have seen several examples where the standard catalog listed more minor varieties for an issue than the classic.
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