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Posted 10/20/2018   09:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The North German P.D. telegraph stamp is listed as #5 in the Michel D-Spezial Catalog at 20 euros. There are 8 values in the set, the 5 and 10 groschen stamps being the most common.

Most of mine are in 2 pieces, the acidic black ink cancels having severed them.

The Braunschweig documentary fee stamp is #1 in Erler Norton and is listed at .20 US. There are 5 values in this set, with the low value, your 2 1/2 gr., being the most common.
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Rod,

Here are the Erler/Norton and/or Michel entries for those three. All images link to larger versions.




As to the unusual marking on this one...



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Marvelous information, thank you gentlemen, both.
Information printed to Album pages.

I was a little concerned over the grid cancellation, nice to learn that example is a "remainder"

French: "Outremer" Adverb=Overseas, Noun=Ultramarine.


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Long shot.
A brace of interesting Slogan or Pictormark Postmarks.
If fortune shines on their identification.

Sc#498


Sc#503
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Rod,

The first one says "Benutze die Luftpost!" (Use the Airmail!). There were many different version of this cancel, with slightly different aircraft images and word placement. I haven't found that specific one yet in Bochmann, but I'll keep looking.

The second is a machine cancel that says "Spendet für Soldatenheime! Postscheckkonto Berlin Nr. 3898 Bank der Deutschen Arbeit" (Donate for soldiers' homes! Posts check account Berlin No. 3898 Bank of German Work).

Dates and post office of use are listed in the screenshot (click to enlarge).
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Found it. Bochmann Stuttgart 80.



The listing notes that it was in use from 1939-1941, and that the circle of the postmark was to the right of the design.
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Wow!
Now that's service, and fast.
I am indebted, thank you Postmaster.
Off to make some Album pages.
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Any members able to explain how this was achieved please?
In the 1936 semi postals, the Postal charge value tablet, appears to be embossed from underneath, giving the numeral and its ink a (raised) shiny glossy appearance.
I cannot figure out how that would have been achieved.
Thank you.

1936
Steiner Page 56.

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Rod, the dark (inked) part of the printing is below the surface of the printing plate. Heavy pressure from the printing press pushes the paper into the ink-carrying grooves to pick up the image, creating an inked embossing.

This happens with all intaglio printing. It is just more obvious with these stamps because those areas are wider and solid colors. As far as glossiness, I would imagine that it is perhaps a slightly different ink formula.
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Thanks Bob,
Hmmm, I'll have to do some more research, I get what you are saying, yet the rest of the stamp is flat, or appears so.
I wonder if 2 pass print, if all engraved, intaglio, then I am none the wiser.

If the pressure of the plate was so large to cause the embossing, then I would have expected further denting on the reverse of the stamp paper.

When I look at the back of the stamp, all I see is the big dent of the value numerals.

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Bob,

Quote:
The North German P.D. telegraph stamp is listed as #5 in the Michel D-Spezial Catalog at 20 euros. There are 8 values in the set, the 5 and 10 groschen stamps being the most common.
Most of mine are in 2 pieces, the acidic black ink cancels having severed them.


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Nice explanation and illustration Rod.

So, I guess it would be a tie for crown of "champions for revenue protection/stamp destruction". between the iron gall ink users and the hole puncher/manglers in colonial India.
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Germany Seapost (Unknown)
Postmaster, if this would be welcome in your collection, consider it yours.

Sc#68 Brace of Carmine 10 pfennig. 1913.
Came in a $4 "Beginner's lot"

Deutsche Seepost LINIE Hamburg Mexico (Date?) Vll

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Rod,

That cancel (No. VII) was used on-board the mail steamer Fürst Bismarck (Prince Bismarck) of the Hamburg-Mexico Line from approximately 1907-1914. The Steinmeyer / Evers reference work, Deutsche See- und Schiffspost 1886-1945, Band III prices it at €150. The cancel date is 1 June 1913.

About the Fürst Bismarck:

Built: 1905 at Fairfield Ship. & Eng., Glasgow
Displacement: 8,332 GRT
Length: 142.6 m
Width: 16.8 m
Max Speed: 14.5 knots
Passengers: 243 1st class, 44 2nd class, 1,300 in the intermediate deck
Crew: 212
Launched: 22 March 1905
Delivered: 10 June 1905
Maiden voyage: 19 August 1905, Hamburg-New York
First voyage from New York-Genoa: 21 October 1905
First official voyage on route for which it was built (Hamburg-Cuba-Mexico): February 1906
Renamed Friedrichsruh in 1914.
From 13 September 1917-3 November 1917, used by the Imperial German Navy to support Operation Albion, the oGerman occupation of the West Estonian Archipelago.
Sold to Shipping Controller, London, on 2 April 1919
Sold to France in 1922
Scrapped in Genoa in 1935


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Posted 10/25/2018   10:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! What marvelous information.
Thank you very much indeed, Postmaster.

(Similar, but cancel 6 ) Complete card current reserve €50

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