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Posted 10/11/2016   07:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


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Posted 10/11/2016   08:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommtomm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, now it was time to ask my dear friend Michel

I'm sorry, but the 71 from 1902 was printed on paper without watermark. So probably no treasure.

The forged ones in your picture are from the time of the "Entente" - that was established in 1904. So definitely too late for your 1902 stamp.
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Posted 10/11/2016   08:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

I suspect the "0" month on the Breslau-Oderburg Bahnpost cancel is just an error -- as in, they had the slug set incorrectly. The months on those cancels aren't prefaced by a "0" for single-digit months, so it's not a case of it being "01" with the "1" missing, etc. Only other option is that it's a "6" where the top of the loop is missing, and the remainder is smudged enough to make it appear as a "0".
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Posted 10/11/2016   08:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

That's a nice Fälschungen piece. Walter Behrens was a major stamp dealer in Germany between the was and his death in 1950. This was an item he put together to sell copies of the Germania forgery. It contained a copy of the real ones and the forgeries, with a description of some of the distinguishing differences.
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Posted 10/11/2016   4:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cheers Lads,


Quote:
Only other option is that it's a "6" where the top of the loop is missing, and the remainder is smudged enough to make it appear as a "0".


That was where my vote lay, a dodgy "6"

Finished dealing with "Germania", was not as hard as I first thought, but I did get in a real pickle there for a while, with watermarks.
JKBlue's site helped.

The forgeries of the 10 and 15 pfennig, looks easy, just glancing for the missing serifs at the bottom of the "T"

Now on to Hindenberg, Hindenburg I am going to expend a lot of lighter fluid on those guys.
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The "newbies" sorting process for "Germania"

1. Isolate "Reichspost" = 1900
2. Isolate Germania with clear background =1916-1919
3. Test for watermarks on the rest
4. No watermark =1902
5. Lozenge Wmk 1905-1919 ............ (Here, Isolate the 3 shades of the 20 pfennig, light blue, violet blue, and ultramarine)
6. All the rest that don't fit in catalogue colour spaces must be 1920

Large format Mark currency stamps..........
Isolate the Engraved (no flagpoles) (1905-1919)
The rest are offset, isolate the 3 shades of the 2.50 Mark issues, Lilac Rose, Magenta, and Brown Lilac. (1920)






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Posted 10/11/2016   5:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommtomm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do you mean Hindenburg?

Then I keep my fingers crossed that some "sakitsaws" come your way
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Posted 10/11/2016   5:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hindenburg.

Used (3 of 7 scans)
Sundry..............
Multiples
Inter-Panneau tete-beche pairs and multiples
Advertising
Margin marks

I am all at sea here, is there any naming protocols for these? order?
how to mount on an Album page?
Advice welcomed.





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Posted 10/11/2016   5:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
PS: I have Michel (I think Postmaster donated that to me free of charge, some years ago) So for brevity, if any German specialists can quote Michel numbers, I can do some form of sort.







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Posted 10/11/2016   6:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

Instead of just giving you catalog numbers, let me put together a little bit more of a write-up for you on each of these.

Be back in a while...
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Posted 10/11/2016   6:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I was considering getting stuck into Michel, but I am not really that comfortable with translation, I recall your correction on the last Multiples I mounted, which were incorrect.
Nice to take advantage of those that deal with the finer points regularly.

Thank you.

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Posted 10/11/2016   6:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

First, a little vocabulary:

Booklets — Markenheftchen (MH)
Booklet panes — Heftchenblättern (H-Bl.)
Booklet pane sheets — Markeheftchenbogen (MHB)

Many German stamps of the period were available in full sheets (typically 10x10) or booklets. The booklets consisted of a number of panes each. The panes are printed in a larger sheet, then cut into individual panes. But, the booklet pane sheets were also available for purchase by collectors. So, German stamps could commonly be found in two types of sheets — full 10x10 sheets and booklet pane sheets.

Your first item (the 1 and 12 Pfennigs) is a piece from a booklet pane sheet, MHB 43.



The individual margin se-tenants catalog as MiNr KZ 26.



Your second item (1 and 5 Pfennig) is from a Donation Sheet, or Einheitsgeberbogen.

Hers's some background on Donation Sheets.

Yours is from MiNr EGB 1.



Your third item (3 and 6 Pfennig) is from booklet pane sheet MHB 44.1.



The individual margin se-tenants catalog as MiNr KZ 27-1.



First item in the next post is also from MHB 44.1, or closely-related MHB 44.2. It catalogs in Michel as MiNr S 152.



Next item is from either booklet pane HMiNr H-Bl 92, to its booklet pane sheet, MiNr MHB 45.1 / or 45.2.





Michel doesn't catalog the block of four, but does catalog pairs.





Your next block comes from MHB 43, shown above. Michel doesn't catalog the block of four, but catalogs the vertical se-tenants:



The last one is from booklet sheet MHB 48.



The individual margin se-tenants catalog as MiNr KZ 32.

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Posted 10/11/2016   8:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Postmaster.
Goodness gracious me, that is just awesome.
Words fail.

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Posted 10/11/2016   8:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Now, lowering the bar substantially, before digesting the above post.
A few Postmarks.
Found on Scott Issues 1905-1919
Steiner Page 8 issues.

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Posted 10/12/2016   04:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommtomm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just one little hint on Hindenburg, after this very fine postmaster work.

The most frequently used term in German is "Zusammendrucke".
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Posted 10/12/2016   06:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Strange things in the Stamp Album....
all stamps mint are 20c.....excepting the 10 pfennig...it is $7 ?

Germany under French Occupation.
Steiner Page 3




...and a very striking Posthorn Pictormark, are we able to ID?
Unwatermarked, so it must be 1902 and Scott # 69 (CV $29 / .85c)

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