essayk, it is great you are an exhibitor but unlike exhibiting, there is no penalty for using many words on a blog and in fact too few words is a way to earn a "penalty" on a blog.
Now to look at your OP I find one solid and one marginal action item. With the marginal item it is you offering the action and as an implied afterthought wondering out-loud if anyone here has seen the sellers' material found it wanting and had made a complaint. Not a stellar way to solicit feedback.
Does anyone have experience with these two sellers?
An example of a direct solicitation for information.
I will attempt to get examples of their work and report them to eBay
unless others have unsuccessfully attempted that already.
To continue, classic_paper wrote,
Well, either post the links or get in touch with eBay
. What do you want from us?
I find his response directed to your marginal action item
not to your clear question about experience with either seller. Furthermore, his earlier explanation of the baseline one needs to overcome when making a valid complaint sets the height of the wall the complainant must clear and behind which all sellers have as a means for protecting their actions, be they good or evil.
1) sellers don't have to have anything certified.
2) how are the items labeled? Is the listing really deceptive, or just vague? can you just put in the links?
3) report all you want, but if you're not law enforcement or an IP owner, why should eBay
take your word over the seller's?
Then follows conversation which I will describe as testy at best (and understandably so from where I sit
) but does nothing to further the thread. You, OP, took seven more posts to actually state the action you wanted SCF members to take,
If everyone on this thread reported the problem, eBay
would have plenty of reason to take notice.
That action statement belonged in your first post to start this thread. But again, each person filing a complaint needs to overcome the listed minimum threshold, on their own
. If not on their own with their own individual understanding, but merely parroting your comments, then that is attempted rule by mob, not clarification with facts. Of course we all see the effectiveness of mob rule on the internet as we watch cancellations
taking place all around us.
Now and I say this with a smile, you may be god's gift to essay philately (thank you), with the ability to walk on water even when not frozen, but that is your opinion of yourself. Why should eBay
know that and why or how can they know that from one complainer among the thousands (tens of thousands?). Frankly it is not their job. Having access to or on staff subject matter experts is about the best one can hope for in such cases. The business goal of eBay
is to get listing sellers and have buyers buy from the sellers. If that does not occur, the business model collapses. I suggest eBay
only becomes interested in bad sellers when the buyers start to complain and eBay
starts to refund money to buyers. That is also where the "this is fake, no it is not" debate is settled by eBay
. Sellers have nothing on buyers when it comes to being underhanded, a point to remember, which eBay
Now you did get William T. Crowe, philatelic expert of some note, to comment on your thread. You may not have liked what he said, along the lines of other bad sellers exist, as that was not helpful for your goal. It also proves than the SCF is not populated by ignorant stamp collecting sheep; well except for me perhaps, baa.
All that said, the internet is the wild, wild west of commerce where caveat emptor is the best rule to follow, while being armed with the most knowledge one can to make a decision. Your posting of fakes helps spread the knowledge and to that I say thank you. But I must add this reminder, Section 230, which protects The SCF from your posts, also protects eBay
from fraudulent or underhanded sellers as well as the fraudulent and underhanded buyers.
While it amazes me to see what is at times passed off on eBay
, it is far more amazing that I can press a few buttons, send money into the middle of a active war zone and some weeks later receive in my PO Box, stamps that fit into one of the topics I collect.
Edited to correct two minor "fingeros."