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Posted 06/23/2022   4:46 pm  Show Profile Check rlsny's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a screen shot:

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Posted 06/23/2022   4:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patg23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sent an email inquiry to Hal Erickson. As yet, no reply.
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Posted 06/23/2022   5:25 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If I am reading this document correctly, Retroreveal was supposed to be open-source software "...All scripts and processing source code will evolve as open-source, ..."
https://library.imaging.org/archivi...9/1/art00020

If so, and especially if they finally compiled this to binary file(s), it should be easy to replicate the functionality. The big issue remains, many people used the 'free' website without donating. My experience is about 1%-2% of philatelists donate to 'free' websites'. Establishing a Retroreveal type website requires a significant investment in website hosting since it consumes huge amounts hard drive space. (Anyone here ever go back into Retroreveal and deleted their old uploaded files?).

If I can locate the Retroreveal open-source code I will look at it and see if I can find a way to prevent saving the files to the server. This should be 'doable' but I am already have had to jump through hoops with website hosting companies and the size of StampSmarter.
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Posted 06/23/2022   5:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don,

I thought about the logistics of building a website that does the same. You'd definitely need to prevent saving the files or run a regularly-scheduled cron job to cull the uploads folder. I can't imagine the bloat they must have had.
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Posted 06/23/2022   5:51 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed. Stamp Smarter is already over 1TB in size and website hosting companies who advertise 'unlimited hard drive space' are 100% misleading: they all limit website hard drive and bandwidth. If you dig into the Terms of Service they ALL have wording something like 'we reserve the right to cancel the account if drive space or bandwidth exceeds what we feel is normal use'.

RetroReveal must have easily been consuming many, many TBs of hard drive space after all these years. I was surprised that they never purged the old files and I certainly am guilty of not deleting my old files over the years. They did not make deleting large groups of files easy nor did they promote getting suers to remove old files. But none-the-less, this should stand as a 'lesson learned' about free website and donating to those which you frequently use or promote our hobby like PostmasterGS's great site and tools.
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Posted 06/23/2022   7:33 pm  Show Profile Check jamesg's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jamesg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why is 1TB a big deal with hosting companies? It isn't on your personal pc, so why do server farms have a problem? Are they using antiquated equipment or something? Heck, you can get a terabyte on 2 micro sd cards these days.
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Posted 06/24/2022   02:48 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jamesg,
It is like advertising an 'All You Can Eat' buffet but in reality they only allow you one trip to the buffet bar.

Here is a typical T&Cs (in this case, HostGator) regarding 'unlimited hard drive space'

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Posted 06/24/2022   06:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don, in the notice, they state it is rare to exceed their usage limitations but then we do not know what they consider as "rare".

I would expect all unlimited plans to have some limits especially when it affects the performance of others. There is always a few who want to spoil it for everyone -- like the spammers.
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Posted 06/24/2022   08:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just curious,
Seems like some key information is missing. Maybe I missed it?

1) with the transfer of ownership, was there any donation made?
(Was it bought, that would tell me this was intended as an investment)

2) has the new owner clarified his Intentions?

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Posted 06/24/2022   09:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tsmatx to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Why is 1TB a big deal with hosting companies? It isn't on your personal pc, so why do server farms have a problem? Are they using antiquated equipment or something? Heck, you can get a terabyte on 2 micro sd cards these days
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This used to be called the Fry's fallacy, maybe needs a new name since Fry's has went out of business. It costs $100 for a 10TB hard drive for a PC, why does it cost much more to host? Not only is server hardware more expensive, and will be in some RAID configuration (those factors would raise the price of 10TB hardware closer to $1000), and backed up--but the cost of hardware is only fraction of cost of hosting (in the long run, it approaches negligible). Costs such as physical rack space, power, cooling, and network connectivity are the real costs of hosting. If you think about the cost of what it would take to double thousands of customers from 1TB->2TB it would nearly double all of the costs, you would need twice as many servers so that much more rack space, power, cooling.
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Posted 06/24/2022   12:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jleb1979 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
JustFella asked about the "new" owner's intention and the basis of the transfer from the Library of Univ. Utah to him.

Hal Erickson was a ABD Physicist who became a bioinformatics and imaging specialist in Cardiothoracic Surgery at Utah and originated retroreveal (with staff programming help) while trying to expedite and improve handling of certain medical imaging problems. As it turned out it worked okay for that, but not great. [so it was not worth spinning off as a piece of valuable IP which was one of Hal's remits at Utah].

But the real advantage lay in disclosing patterns which were not easily detected by the human eye in images across a wide variety of fields, including philately of course. And it was built from low cost tools.

He did a bunch of dog and pony presentations back around 2012 at various computing & informatics conferences when it was first opened to the public. I was lucky to be at one of the earliest of these and thereafter corresponded with him once or twice with interesting (to me) results from use in the archives field.

So it looks to me as though Utah passed it back to him, I would surmise because the hosting of a site like that was ultimately judged to not be one of their core public services although it was used by the wider library and archival community. While that's a bit of a disappointment to me as a sporadic user, I always wondered why in blazes the images did not have an enforced expiration to clear storage space. There was a question about this at the time (this was April 2012) and I believe the then dean of libraries at Utah said they'd deal with any issues down the road. It was seen as an experimental service. That's my memory, but my notes from the session were recycled long ago.

The dean I knew left in 2013 and I do not know the current dean who is stepping down at the end of this year. I hope Hal answers the email sent by patg23. From linkedin, it seems he is back in Texas, but no linkedin activity for 3 years at this point.

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Posted 06/24/2022   1:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for adding that,( I'm not passing judgment on him in any way, just to be clear)
I'd think it a great move to own such a thing,
there are many was to grow it into something so much more then it was, but funding is needed for expanding.
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Posted 06/28/2022   5:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gilles le timbre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Any up-date to share on this topic?
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Posted 06/28/2022   8:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patg23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jleb1979 - Thanks for more of the back story.
I really miss it. As a cancellation hunter, this was a very valuable tool.

No suggestion was ever asked or mentioned of having a subscription, which I would consider.

Also, should have an image expiration date (30 days?)

There has been mention of compatible software.
Can someone share with me ones that will produce this.

Thanks,
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Posted 06/29/2022   12:49 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My emails to the contact I used to have at the site have gone unresponded to. Not sure if they are no longer with the university.
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