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Posted 07/30/2022   11:09 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What about the UK approach, which is a unique 2D bar code on each stamp?
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Posted 07/31/2022   3:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cephus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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What about the UK approach, which is a unique 2D bar code on each stamp?


That won't matter to the scammers who already have the money. Whether it gets through the mail is irrelevant. It's only to groups like China whose ultimate purpose is to defraud the government and destabilize the postal systems that will cause issues for.
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Posted 07/31/2022   6:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gvol21 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Codes won't really make a difference; scammers will still sell the stamps with "codes" (and will probably gin up some ad copy about how they're "100% secure" or some nonsense).

By the time the hapless buyer's entered the bogus stamps into the mails, the counterfeiters already have their $$$. Now, it's possible that it would be flagged as such and returned to sender for postage, which could eventually lead to some sort of learning process for the buyer... but it's too late, as the bad guys already have their money.
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Posted 07/31/2022   7:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The solution involves the Unites States Government (The White House) calling out China on all of this type of activity and hitting them where it hurts, trade sanctions and tariffs.

The US president just had a two-hour call with the Chinese president and the subjects of COVID and fentanyl were not even touched upon let alone counterfeit goods and intellectual property theft. Good grief.

Remember that two years or so ago the US called out China on the fentanyl issue and it cooled down for a while. They are back at it with a vengeance.

The counterfeiting problems have to be stamped out in China by China (CCP). No other way.
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Posted 07/31/2022   8:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The US president just had a two-hour call with the Chinese president and the subjects of COVID and fentanyl were not even touched upon let alone counterfeit goods and intellectual property theft.


They spent 2.5 hours talking. Since it is unlikely that you were a part of the call, you don't actually know exactly what they spoke about. Few people do. They did discuss arranging a face to face summit, where many areas might be discussed.
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Posted 07/31/2022   9:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...ic-of-china/

Why should we not know what was discussed. That has been a complaint previously. Now it is OK? Perhaps a whistleblower will "leak" the transcript. LOL
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Posted 07/31/2022   10:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In this case there were others listening in; in some previous cases by another president no one was listening, so no one actually knows. "A range of issues were discussed" means that either or both of the issues you raised might or might not have been discussed, or at least listed for future discussions.
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Posted 08/02/2022   3:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Why worry about US sellers, now you can buy directly from the printers in China. Screen shot was taken today.


The listing I posted along with that quote has ended as no longer available. However, since that post, I counted five other seller's ID with the same photo all from China.

And so it goes.....
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Posted 08/04/2022   03:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add RILP 2022 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A few months ago I purchased sheets of the Skywriting Love stamps from an eBay seller.. I read a Linns article about how to detect fakes. When they arrive I checked, and sure enough they were fakes. Here is the part everyone should do (but it takes time) Request a refund but refuse to return the stamps. eBay's policy clearly states you do not have to return forged items that the seller may resell but just have to agree you will not sell them and properly dispose of them. Twice now I got a full refund and kept the fakes. If more people did this that would discourage them to sell on eBay a bit. If anyone one is interested, I could copy and paste the eBay rules regarding forgeries.
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Posted 08/04/2022   7:04 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It costs the sellers very little to buy them and it might acrually cost them more to have to pay for return shipping.
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Posted 08/04/2022   8:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Direct from Beijing China:

https://www.dhgate.com/product/luxu...936259975%7c108807308098%7c434352662%7cpla-295999102454%7c101001%7cUS%7cstyleelse%7cc%7c2%7c&utm_source=pla&utm_medium=GMC&utm_campaign=styleelse&utm_term=434352662


***Screen capture added by Don ***
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Posted 08/11/2022   9:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add eraserman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
make it a crime to sell Forever postage for below whatever face value is at the time

Hey gvol21 I see one thing wrong with this.

The first forever stamp was the liberty bell in 2007 at 41 cents?

If you were to sell that at todays forever price it would be more than 41 cents since the rate has gone up.

So you would be making a crime out of selling legitimate forever stamps at their issue price.
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Posted 08/12/2022   11:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gvol21 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Hey gvol21 I see one thing wrong with this.

The first forever stamp was the liberty bell in 2007 at 41 cents?

If you were to sell that at todays forever price it would be more than 41 cents since the rate has gone up.

So you would be making a crime out of selling legitimate forever stamps at their issue price.


Yes. There would be some legitimate re-sellers who might be adversely affected by this, but I fear that the legitimate resale volume is much smaller than the illegal resale volume, and these illegal sales pose a growing and perhaps existential threat to the USPS.

If a collector comes across some extra sheets they want to part with, they can probably sell to friends and family for a little cash. Or barter and trade with other collectors. Or donate to a nonprofit. And so on.

My point is that nothing short of an extreme, high-profile change in the law will stem the tide. Once your average, non-collector Joe understands that it's against federal law to purchase these stamps from anywhere but the USPS (or below current face value elsewhere), and that serious fines await rule breakers, perhaps the demand for these counterfeit goods will dry up.

And right now, it's that demand that's driving the problem. Some here see more nefarious elements at work (in the Chinese government, etc.), but absent any concrete proof of that, I'd say it's equally (perhaps more) likely that Chinese counterfeiters are just doing their thing, while the government is more than happy to sit on the sidelines, doing nothing.
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Posted 08/12/2022   9:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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making a crime out of selling legitimate forever stamps at their issue price.


It is not difficult, most of the time, to tell an ad for counterfeits as opposed to an ad for discount postage. The problem is they keep changing addresses faster than the Post Office can shut them down. How would this change if you made this illegal active illegal for a second reason?

This will somehow stop if you add to the Post Office's work shutting down everyone who tries to sell off excess stamps? And, as someone pointed out before, are you really going to tell someone that even though they bought a stamp for $0.58 they now have to sell it for no less than $0.60?

I'm just not seeing how this is going to fix anything.
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