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World Classic Doppelgängers

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Posted 06/25/2022   6:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great stamps, one of my favourite.
Thanks for sharing!
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Posted 06/25/2022   6:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampGuy64 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Just_fella!
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Posted 06/28/2022   07:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampGuy64 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yet another...

Ireland, 1923 5d deep violet, and 1940 5d deep violet; which is the "evil twin"(?)...
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Posted 06/28/2022   7:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampGuy64 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It appears that no one is going to "stick their neck out" on this pair. Don't be shy. C'mon, wha'd'ya have to lose?
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Posted 06/28/2022   7:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Right side looks to have a yellwish hue (could be my screen)
The hand and hilt have less clear detail.
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Posted 06/28/2022   9:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampGuy64 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, what's your verdict?
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Posted 06/28/2022   9:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Had to double check, guessing right is the evil twin
Arguing with my self I have both copies unlabeled
The right looks like what I would expect from then,
The left looks office quality
But seeing I'm not 100% coin toss took right :)
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Edited by Just_fella - 06/28/2022 9:31 pm
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Posted 06/28/2022   9:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Calling one of them an "evil twin" fails to communicate anything to collectors unfamiliar with Irish stamps.
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Posted 06/28/2022   10:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are we trying to identify what year each stamp was printed?
23's on the right, 40 on the left?
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Edited by Just_fella - 06/28/2022 10:17 pm
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Posted 06/28/2022   11:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamps101 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was under the impression the only reliable way to tell these two definitive Ireland releases apart was by watermark, which cannot be seen in your photos. I am open to being corrected but I worked on an Ireland collection a few years back and recall the majority of my time was spent staring either at watermarks or at very minute overprint details for the earlier overprinted GB issues.
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Posted 06/29/2022   12:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wasn't stating anything as fact, was just guessing.
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Posted 06/29/2022   03:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampGuy64 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

The one on the right is the doppelgänger, the "evil twin". It is of the second printing, and its colour is more like a deep ultramarine, more blue than red.

I once read, many years ago, that the first native issues of Ireland, 1922-23, were printed in secret, and in the basement of Dublin Castle.

Before I had scanned the "good 'un", of 1923, I converted it, to effect a fresher, newer appearance, and for its presentation...

I finally got round to doing that, and to save it from a fate worse than <insert here>.

Yes, the watermarks...

Ireland, 1922-23, 1/2d to 1/-...

Those of the first printing is the set to have, and to behold.
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Posted 06/29/2022   03:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice!

From the perspective of the issuing entity, the change in the watermark - due to Ireland becoming a Republic (not officially recognised for another 9 years) instead of a Free State - does not constitute a new stamp. For us philatelists, it does.

This series also has a 6d issued on chalk-surfaced paper, and the 3d and 5d stamps printed in photogravure. The 5d printed in photogravure has two types.

A full history: http://goscf.com/t/78697

Almost all Irish permanent issues have doppelgängers. The birds even have several.

UK permanent issues since 1902 are also a good source.
And how about the UK's pre-decimal to pay labels?
Dutch permanent series are another source. Take the current set of three stamps in use since 2013. Each exists in 10 versions.
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Edited by NSK - 06/29/2022 04:03 am
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Posted 06/29/2022   06:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampGuy64 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you NSK.
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Posted 07/01/2022   10:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampGuy64 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gold Coast, 1876-85, 4d deep mauve, and magenta...


Which is the doppelgänger of the other?
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