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85B & 86 Posted Due To Relatively Clear Grill Illustrations To Compare Z & E Grills

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Posted 07/06/2022   8:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sandman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



First submission on Forum. My apologies.
This is a scan of a Z grill on an 85E, a stamp certified by PF. Difficult to count points with the central gap, but it appears to be 14 by 18 points. Tried using the earlier suggested technique of angled lighting from a corner.
Some horizontal ridges stand out.
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Posted 07/06/2022   9:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Would you mind posting the PF Certificate sandman? That tends to reduce the number of "it doesn't look like it to me" posts since it appears the top/bottom is oriented side to side, a 90 degree turn. Also in this case, the game becomes verifying the Cert looking at the "known" grill.

As an aside, it is cool my thread pulled your second post on the SCF.
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 07/06/2022 9:43 pm
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Posted 07/06/2022   11:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sandman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hello Parcel.

Scanned Cert. Reduced to 117 kb.
This system rejected picture as too large.

Will try again tomorrow when I can get someone to look over my shoulder
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Posted 07/07/2022   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sandman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



here's the PF cert on the 85E
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Posted 10/22/2022   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jleb1979 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just had an 85E come back from extension (PF cert below) and I thought I might add to the small library of Z grill scans being accumulated in this thread.






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Posted 10/22/2022   6:28 pm  Show Profile Check rlsny's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Congratulations - a nice sound stamp.

I guess I never posted the results of that blue checkerboard cancel stamp on this thread - It went to Bill Crowe for certification along with all my D and Z grills. They all came back as genuine. This particular one came back genuine, just noting the shorter perfs on the left.
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Posted 10/23/2022   3:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
RLSNY - That is great news for you! That blue cancel is really cool. Does anyone know where it was used?
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Posted 11/08/2022   5:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sandman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This item was sold as a US 85C. The small size makes me think it is a reject as an 85C, grill measuring 9.5 mm by 13.6. Ridges appear to be horizontal. Might be an F grill.

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Posted 11/09/2022   10:15 am  Show Profile Check rlsny's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
F grill
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Posted 11/09/2022   11:15 am  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sandman, it would be interesting to see the front of the non-85C. The experimental grills for the 3c stamp are found only in the dull rose shade, so the color of the stamp could have been another clue as to whether it could have been a Z grill or not.

Hope this is helpful, Ray
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Posted 11/09/2022   4:23 pm  Show Profile Check Chipshot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Chipshot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for participating in this discussion as I find it most informative. There is a lot of information in a very condensed thread which is most interesting.
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here is the face of the "85C" as requested.
I did not find an exact color match in White's Color Encyclopedia. Perhaps close to a brown red.
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