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Germany Local Issue Probably 1946 - Stadt Dachau

 
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Posted 07/26/2022   1:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add citizenA to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all,

I have the following set of stamps overprinted with the coats of arms of Dachau:



I guess those are local issues from occupied territories after the 2nd World War.

I cannot find those stamps in Michel specialized catalogue, or in any other catalogue. Maybe I am looking wrong?

Does anyone have any idea whether those stamps have a catalogue number, and (if yes) in which catalogue, and what is their CV?

Greetings to all,

Adam
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Posted 07/26/2022   1:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lots of local issues from after WWII are fantasy products, stamps that were overprinted with the goal of making a quick buck. These may be some of those,
If you try searching this forum you may find several posts on this type of stamps


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Edited by Petert4522 - 07/26/2022 1:46 pm
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Posted 07/26/2022   1:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add citizenA to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Peter,

I cannot find anything relating to the local posts from Dachau?
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Posted 07/26/2022   1:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe reading this post will help: http://goscf.com/t/52105
Some of these may not be listed anywhere


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Posted 07/26/2022   2:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A list of German towns known (Dachau is not among them) where allied forces overprinted the issue locally as provisional issue:

Bad Schmiedeberg ab 15. Juni bis Ende Juli 1945 (runder Gummistempelaufdruck in schwarzer oder blauer Farbe, mit einem Durchmesser von 18 bis 19 mm)
Braunsbedra nur im Juli 1945 verwendet (runder Korkstempel oder formlos)
Döbeln Mitte Juni bis 6. August 1945 (Buchdruckaufdruck eines Rechtecks aus Punktquadraten, darüber Ortsname, darunter das Datum ‚6.5.1945', das an den Einmarsch der russischen Truppen erinnert)
Erkner ab 14. Mai 1945 bis 28. Mai 1945 bekannte Verwendung (runder schwarzer Korkstempel)
Finsterwalde Probedrucke vom 18. Juli 1945 bekannt
Grabow ab Mai bis 27. Juli 1945
Meißen ab 15. Juni bis 23. Juni 1945 (waagerechter Handstempelaufdruck ‚Deutschlands Verderber' in verschiedenen Farben)
Netzschkau-Reichenbach ab 25. Juli bis 8. August 1945
Perleberg ab 11. Juni bis 26. Juni 1945
Rothenburg (über Könnern) zwischen 14. und 18. Juli 1945 (runde bis ovale Schwärzung mit Tinte oder Kopierstift)
Schwarzenberg Mai bis Juni 1945
Wittenberg Lutherstadt Mai bis 14. August 1945

See 'Lokalausgaben': https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reich...markenserie)
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Edited by NSK - 07/26/2022 2:27 pm
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Hi NSK,

Thank you for your feedback and resource link.

So what should I think about the stamps I have, and which are not on the list you have presented? Do you have any ideas?

I do not believe the stamps were overprinted just to make a quick buck. It's so strange, I mean why would anybody try so hard to make so little money?

I cannot find such stamps, overprinted as presented, anywhere. It would mean a very rare counterfeit, or a very rare overprint by the city.

I am waiting for more responses.

The best to you all!

Adam
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Posted 07/26/2022   4:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I suggested you search this forum. You will find some posts that tell you about the many overprints that were made up.


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Hi Peter,

By saying that "the many overprints that were made up" you mean that they were either created by fraudsters, or by the city authorithies to gain some money?

I do not want to be a pain, just trying to figure out the origin of the stamps, either official or sinister.

Adam
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Posted 07/26/2022   5:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
So what should I think about the stamps I have, and which are not on the list you have presented? Do you have any ideas?


I think Petert4522 is correct. They, very likely, are phantasy items made by someone hoping to defraud unsuspecting collectors. There are many post-war overprints on German stamps or German occupation stamps that are fabrications.

I do not think they were made by the city authorities. As the Wikipedia page states, the true issues were overprints by the allied occupiers.

This, also, is why you cannot find them in the Michel catalogue.
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Edited by NSK - 07/26/2022 5:12 pm
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The motivation for these specimens may never be know for certain. Potentially to defraud collectors, or perhaps as unissued samples, or just for some fun. But never discount the human compulsion to "tinker" with official postage: https://cinderellas.rigastamps.com/...llection.htm
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Posted 07/27/2022   1:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add citizenA to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all,

Thank you very much for your input which all lead essentially to the same opinion: either a fraud or cinderella.

I could not find even a picture of similar stamps anywhere :)

Adam
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Edited by citizenA - 07/27/2022 1:07 pm
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