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It's Tattered. And Worn. And A Presumably Unique Revenue Usage. Beggars Can't Be Choosers.

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Posted 07/28/2022   6:40 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add revenuecollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Sometimes when you encounter something rare, you can't be a stickler about condition. Sure, condition factors into what you're willing to pay, but ultimately at the end of the day you have to make a firm decision as to whether any faults or flaws are significant enough to dissuade you from acquiring the item... while knowing full well that if you pass it by there is likely never to be another.

Such was the case when this item came up for auction. As I've posted before, one of my focuses is illegal/improper usages of U.S. postage stamps as revenues from the Civil War era (all eras actually).

It is a bottom plate block of 16 of Scott #65, manuscript canceled "October the 24 1863". The paper on the back is part of the original document; various folds align with creases in the stamps, and the manuscript cancel ties to the paper in several places. Unfortunately, the printing and handwriting on the reverse is insufficient to glean any context as to the nature of the document.

There were numerous perf separations which I stabilized with archival mending tape; it's considerably more robust now than when it arrived. What I thought were trimmed edges on the top 3 stamps at the right turned out to be folded under perfs, which was a pleasant surprise.

Not only is it IMO a great revenue piece, but as far as I have been able to research online, I cannot find any other examples of a used plate block of #65 anywhere in any form. There are several used blocks of 15, 16 and one 18 on various covers, but none of them have margin imprints, let alone being an intact plate block. Of course there are numerous examples of mint and unused plate blocks, but not used.

I would love to have seen the complete document. Regardless, I'm thrilled to have acquired it.

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Posted 07/28/2022   8:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Alas, the image does not show up.
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Posted 07/28/2022   8:44 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Anybody else? I can see it here on multiple devices.
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I can see it.
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Posted 07/28/2022   9:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All I see is a tiny black square which becomes slightly larger after about a minute. I have no problem with any other images on the site, such as the "anger management" images.
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Posted 07/28/2022   9:43 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Weird. It's just a JPEG. Nothing unusual about it, and it's hosted in the same place as all my other images.
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Posted 07/28/2022   9:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can see it fine on 4 browsers on my iPad, 4 on my Mac, and 3 on Windows 10.
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Shows up perfectly on my Macbook air and iphone 8.
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Posted 07/28/2022   10:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does the tiny black square talk to you?
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Posted 07/28/2022   11:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chesham85 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rodgcam,

I know someone who would say that the tiny cloud like black square with face talks to them and it was designed by the engraver that way from the onset.

P.S. They also would say the square is white.

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Edited by Chesham85 - 07/28/2022 11:21 pm
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Interesting item. Used plate blocks of this vintage are scarce items indeed.

Would you educate someone, with little knowledge in this area, what informs you that this is a revenue usage? Is it the backing paper/document or something in the manuscript cancel? Was the item described at auction as a revenue usage or was that your own sleuthing?

Thanks

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Posted 07/29/2022   12:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Chesham85 -

I know exactly what you mean.
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Posted 07/29/2022   07:08 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Would you educate someone, with little knowledge in this area, what informs you that this is a revenue usage? Is it the backing paper/document or something in the manuscript cancel? Was the item described at auction as a revenue usage or was that your own sleuthing?


The style of cancel, for the most part, as well as having examined tens of thousands of revenue documents from the era. You have the clerk's initials in two places, as well as the full spelled out date, neither of which you would typically find on a postal cancel. In the latter, you would likely see the rate paid and/or the word "PAID", possibly the name of the town.

Technically, in addition to being an illegal use of postage stamps, the cancellation method was improper as well, although typically condoned. Per the regulations, each individual stamp was to be canceled with the clerk's initials and the date, not the block in aggregate. As is typically the case when it comes to administrative tasks, expediency rules the day.

The plate block was listed as a revenue usage, but I was unaware that the backing piece was part of the original document. The listing image was too low resolution to see that the cancel tied to the underlying paper.
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Posted 07/29/2022   07:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It finally showed up.
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Posted 07/29/2022   07:28 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, that's a long download time.
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Posted 07/29/2022   07:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Whether it is a revenue use or not is open to some debate; 48 cents is a very odd tax rate. Obviously it is possible that if it was a document it might have had other stamps as well. But this is a very large multiple, and few documents would have had the room to attach them. But a large cover would. Plenty of small towns were still using manuscript cancels in 1863.
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