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Posted 08/02/2022   09:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add hoosierboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Morning all,

Now that your virtual self in the virtual world can do almost anything you want and purchase anything you desire will there be philatelic collecting in the METAVERSE?

Today, people are spending real money buying clothing for their avatars right now so they walk around in the digital universe with the latest and greatest bling. Big name real businesses are selling for real money their digital bling. Why not collectables including stamps and covers?

You can be the first in your club to show off a digital album with all the number ones of the world. How about an Old Blue complete? More folks can enjoy sharing our rare treasures. How about a digital exhibit made up of all the rare material you could not afford to buy even if it was available on the market? Who will be the first to win the METAVERSE Champion of Champions honor?

Remember folks, real businesses get real money from METAVERSE sales. Any real philatelic takers?
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Posted 08/02/2022   11:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I guess if I digitize the Gross catalogs, I will have the World's greatest US collection without paying for the goods or putting any effort into it other than the digitizing. Zzzzzzzzz
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Posted 08/02/2022   3:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add WheatCent to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a good question, @hoosierboy. If I may share my opinion as a "younger" stamp collector (the jury is still out on whether I meet the criteria of "collector" or "accumulator") I feel a virtual reality space would be very beneficial for educational purposes. I'm not quite sure how one would "collect" stamps in a virtual reality world but it would be very cool to have 360 degree views of famous or rare stamps. Then again, you don't really need a VR Headset to view things 360 degrees digitally.

Whether or not some aspect of philately in the VR space will exist is up to the software engineers and designers to create, and the executives to approve. It's an interesting thought nonetheless.
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Posted 08/02/2022   4:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You won't see me there.

Virtual reality does for reality as social media does for socialising.

I'll be sticking with real people in the real world, and I'll continue to collect real stamps & covers.
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Posted 08/02/2022   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bobby, I agree fully!


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Posted 08/02/2022   5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Timm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I collect stamps to get away from all of the ciaos surrounding me. Just me, my stamps and I.

Join the Metaverse… NEVER
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Posted 08/02/2022   5:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Any real philatelic takers?

Not here either.

And I would add that many of the areas which interest me have nothing to do with money. It is a matter of finding the elusive 50 cent or $1 item rather than affording it.

Add: my point is as simple as: "I will not collect digital stamps or covers. I collect the real items." Yes, I have images of things I do not own, not as a goal, but as supporting research material. If Hoosierboy wants to pay me for every time he accesses one of my images, then go for it.
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Posted 08/02/2022   6:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cephus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hard pass. I will never buy an NFT and I will never buy virtual clothing for any virtual avatar. I find the whole idea absolutely idiotic.
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Posted 08/02/2022   6:38 pm  Show Profile Check johnsim03's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add johnsim03 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"That is why I believe that the technological program, in its new extreme of transhumanism and the Metaverse, will forever chase a mirage. The mirage is Utopia, a perfect society in which suffering has been engineered out of existence and life gets more and more awesome every day. Just look at the technological program's track record. We have made enormous strides in our ability to control matter and manage society. We can alter genes and brain chemistry—shouldn't we have conquered depression by now? We can surveil nearly every human being at all times—shouldn't we have eliminated crime by now? Economic productivity per capita has increased 20-fold in half a century—shouldn't we have eliminated poverty by now? We have not. Arguably, we haven't made any progress at all. The technocratic explanation is that we haven't finished the job, that when our control is total, when the Internet of Things links every object into one data set, when every physiological marker is under real-time monitoring and control, when every transaction and movement is under surveillance, then there will be no more room in reality for anything we do not want. All will be under control. This would be the fulfillment of the program of domestication that began tens of thousands of years ago. The entire material world will have been domesticated. We will have finally arrived at the oasis on the desert horizon. We will have finally reached the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

What if we never reach it? What if misery and suffering are a feature not a bug of the program of separation? What if the mirage recedes just as fast as we race toward it?"

- Charles Eisenstein
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Posted 08/02/2022   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you johnsim03
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Posted 08/02/2022   6:47 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can easily see a SCF meta meeting building where we simply all come and go as we feel, chit chatting, sharing images, learning etc.

I can also easily see a meta philatelic school with different classrooms that you join at will.

I can also easily see meta stamp shows.

For nearly the last decade, I research team that I have been a part of has shown conclusive evidence that virtual reality (VR) experiences can 'by pass' short-term memory impairments and make it possible for dementia and Alzheimer's patients to learn. The fact that Google vision is now this ought to speak to folks too.

Of course, like all new technology, we have a tendency to race ahead without understanding the unintended consequences. The following is just my opinion… one of the reasons that we are seeing an increase in mass murders is VR. It is not guns and there is a reason that the people who do mass murders fit a demographic (male, young); they are growing up using these VR style games and headsets and it is impacting their brains differently than growing up just watching a violent movie or tv show.

VR has the opportunity to change society in great ways and in my opinion is inevitable. It is one thing to watch a video of Walking in Kyoto Midnight Rainstorm, it is an entirely different thing to feel like you are actually doing it…
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Doing this in a metaverse will implant a longer-term memory and result in MUCH improved learning experiences. I am almost positive that as I get older I will seek (perhaps lust?) ways to deal with the inevitable cognitive declines we all will see. But I think that I will make sure that I stay away from any kind of 'shoot-em-up' games or VR experiences.
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Edit: I do not envision the type VR we have now; cartoon characters and skimpy dressed women, but rather a VR classroom which appears just like a Zoom meeting (but is not 'real). I could choose to be myself and we could share a beer at a table. Others may choose to represent themselves as they see fit, perhaps exactly how they looked 15 years ago, as they did as a young person, as their father or mother, as their favorite philatelist.
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Posted 08/02/2022   7:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Others may choose to represent themselves as they see fit, perhaps exactly how they looked 15 years ago, as they did as a young person, as their father or mother, as their favorite philatelist.


For myself, I want to deal with a real person, warts and all. Maybe I don't like everything that they are or say but at least it is authentic. On the other hand, there are no doubt people on these forums that represent themselves as something other than what they are.

John's quote however is hard to get around. All of the technology and advancements and there are still vehicle accidents, medical mistakes, poverty, loneliness and depression etc.

Perhaps we all need a dose of MORE reality and human interaction.

I will take a real hug or wipe someone's real tears in person, thank you.

VR makes it all too easy to walk away when you feel uncomfortable. Just leave. How do young people learn to deal with life if all the World is a stage and we are all players.

Be who you are and constantly strive to improve instead of creating a persona that appeals to your target audience.
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Posted 08/02/2022   7:59 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
But it also about history, the very basis of our hobby. Take postal history, right now we can read postal regulations, books, articles of posts by those here who are knowledgeable.

But imagine being able to go back to Great Britain in 1840 and stand there in the same period room with Rowland Hill and chat with him. Or ride along with the first US RFD delivery routes.

I guess this is why I am surprised that folks here seem so negative about this tech. The SCF is a very, very basic type of metaverse. Not liking the tech is like embracing the Model T but saying you would not like a Duesenberg Model J.
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Posted 08/02/2022   8:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gvol21 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think there's a distinction between metaverse/VR/Web 3.0/etc. for *stamps*, and then for *philately*.

Some folks are into the notion of virtual "stamps", etc. I'm not, and frankly, don't see the point.

But to Don's point, I think there's some potential in these techs to bring collectors closer together and make sharing knowledge more fun and stimulating.
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Posted 08/02/2022   8:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I get what you are saying Don but take the following for instance:


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But imagine being able to go back to Great Britain in 1840 and stand there in the same period room with Rowland Hill and chat with him. Or ride along with the first US RFD delivery routes.


I would know that I am not really chatting with Hill or Riding along on an RFD route but rather I am engaged in someone else's interpretation of what those things are. Who decides what the reality of a scenario is? Does Rowland Hill become a bigot? Does he get cancelled? Were the RFD deliveries inequitable in the way they serviced communities of color? I just don't have faith in it given what tech has done with their power and sway in other matters and the Meta will not be a Mom and Pop operation. A few will control it.

I also do not trust them with the copious amounts of data that the Meta will provide them about me and everyone else under the sun.

"Roger likes the color blue, has conservative views, drinks to excess, smokes (does his insurance company know this?), uses profanity, chases woman AND men, kicks dogs......" (only the blue and conservative things are true, but you get the drift)

Hey, Big Tech built this attitude on my part. They need to earn my trust and that will be a very long row to hoe my friend.
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Posted 08/02/2022   8:38 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No more or less than in here at SCF...

Online folks 'live and die' by their ability to present themselves; if you come across as earnest, knowledgeable, logical then your reputation the resulting trust grows. <shrugs>
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