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Scott English - Is The APS Preserving Electronic Records From Commercial Sites?

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Posted 08/12/2022   1:26 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are the PDFs images or text? Taking the extra step to recognize the text makes them much more helpful for user searching AND search engines.

Another common mistake with posting PDF is that few people take the time to enter the metadata (see File|Properties of the PDF). Having a bunch of PDFs on a website without entering any metadata is sign of cluelessness/laziness which results in a MUCH lower ranking by ALL search engines. Why post PDFs on a website if a user search returns it on page 289 of the search results?
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Posted 08/12/2022   1:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mml1942 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rogdcam:

In the most simple terms, let's begin with the assumption a user would be satisfied with the preservation of only the PDF copies of a auction catalog, and not the surrounding broad search mechanisms available on many auction house archives. To presume further, we have the "scope creep" mentioned earlier.

The simple answer to your question is that one would first have to "harvest" the PDF of the catalog, and store it on his computer. Each browser has a "download" file option. A user would then perform his own file management of where these PDF files reside on his computer.

Anyone can do this to his personal computer if he desires access to these catalog files and does not want to go online each time he wants to access the catalog(s).

In order for that PDF file to be made available to an external audience, we must now assume that the original host no longer exists, or that prior to the demise of the original website, a formal (legal) agreement had been created between the original owner and the potential new host to replicate the files in the future.

For example, to duplicate the collection of the PDF versions of the Schuyler Rumsey catalogs from No. 19 to No. 105, he would have to first "harvest" each of the catalogs.

To do anything else, i.e., to share the catalog PDF with the "world", it will be assumed that the potential alternate host has an agreement with the Schuyler Rumsey organization to do so. Then the following tasks would be required.

First, the new host would upload each the harvested Schuyler Rumsey catalog PDFs files to his website, then create a page with a link to each catalog. A future user would then simply go to that website, find the page, and find the reference to the link to the catalog he desired. This could be a very simple page, which can be created using any of the commercially available web page editors.

Other approaches are possible.

As a purely hypothetical example, which is not a recommendation, or even a suggestion, I believe it would be theoretically possible for the APRL, if it had the PDFs for these 86 Schuyler Rumsey catalogs available, and had the necessary permission to make them available in the Robert Mason Digital Library, they could treat them in the same manner as they do the various philatelic journals they presently host online, and use that same management software to allow users to access them. The way that the Robert Mason Digital Library handles journals is that they appear to host several copies of each individual page as a JPG file in different resolutions, as well as a full PDF. The user can download in either format. Whether the current software would accommodate only the PDF format is unknown. If not, then this approach would require significant additional work to create all the pages as JPG files.

An alternative would be to create a entry in the David Straight Union Catalog for each individual catalog, then include within the catalog entry a URL link to the individual Schuyler Rumsey auction catalog which would be hosted somewhere on the APRL site. The user would then simply go to the David Straight catalog, find the entry for the SR catalog of interest, and select the link. For that matter, this approach could easily be implemented at the present time, where the URL provided was defined to be the location on the Schuyler Rumsey website where each catalog currently resides.


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Edited to remove some redundant statements.
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Edited by mml1942 - 08/12/2022 2:15 pm
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Posted 08/12/2022   2:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mike - To be clearer, the PDF's I am referencing are accessed via clicking on a link WITHIN the catalog. My question is not about the catalog itself being a PDF or not but rather will harvesting a catalog also harvest the PDF which is a link within that catalog and have it work in perpetuity. Sorry for any confusion.

Don - The PDF's I am referencing are all images.
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Posted 08/12/2022   3:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mml1942 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rogdcam:

Sorry I misunderstood your primary question.

The simple answer is "No" in the scenario I described.

What you describe could theoretically be accomplished. However, the original catalog PDF does not usually include the URL that would link to additional images or external PDFs. These only are present in what I tend to think of as the auction houses' database presentation of their catalog.

Even if one were to preserve the files associated with these links from the on-line database catalog, they would not be linkable from within the original PDF file of the catalog.

For "major" presentations within the catalog (such as Pollard's Heligoland collection), one could create some form of adjunct PDF file to the original PDF catalog with such links.

This is an example of "scope creep" mentioned earlier, and would add a layer of effort to the simple approach I described, because it would require someone to both locate and download multiple PDFs and/or images associated with an individual lot, and then create the associated links to them.

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Posted 08/12/2022   4:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The APS Education Department is soliciting PowerPoint (or equivalent) presentations to turn into video presentations so if you have or know about one I suggest getting in contact with the APS.
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Posted 08/13/2022   10:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with what ROGDCAM wrote on 8-12-22 , he is right that we should save those special written up collections with all its written up research .

But ---I would say only me and about 12 people would ever scan thru and read those 187 pages of Pollard's Heligoland .Yes it is saved on my computer plus a $80,000 Tibet collection and a few others ......the point is very few will go page by page to read them .

Now look at the Richard Witt Collection of Cinderella Stamps which cost pennies to put together with little research on the pages it has received many thousands of views , even the Piece-de-Resistance album pages on the Community Chat Board got 20,000 views the first two years . So there is the issue of how many eyeballs are going to be looking at what is kept . So now you got to question what the APS wants those 12 eyeballs or a few thousand vistors .
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