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Is This A Scott 10 Or A Scott 11?

 
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Posted 08/12/2022   4:49 pm  Show Profile Check docgfd's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add docgfd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
For today's 'what the heck?' cover (see below) I could use some help in identifying the stamp. The cover was mailed, according to docketing, in 1854, from Plymouth, MA to Burlington, VT. The stamp is tied by a nice, blue Plymouth cds next to which is a black Burlington cds presumably applied when the cover was forwarded to a town I can't decipher.
The stamp clearly has only single vertical frame lines, making it a Type I, either a 10 or 11. The color just doesn't look right for a #10, but... the #11 wasn't issued until July of 1855, a full 7-months after the docketing on the envelope.
So...I'm looking for a opinions. Is this a #11 with bogus docketing? Is it a number 10 even though the color is a bit "off?" Any help greatly appreciated !!




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Posted 08/12/2022   5:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks a bit like a #11, but also looks like the stamp was applied at a later date and was not the original stamp on the envelope.
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Posted 08/12/2022   5:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The final destination is Port Kent, NY.
A very nice example showing both the prepaid and unpaid rates on a single cover.
(but add, I agree does look like a "MAR" date on the stamp. Oops.)
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Edited by John Becker - 08/12/2022 5:24 pm
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Posted 08/12/2022   5:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
but also looks like the stamp was applied at a later date and was not the original stamp on the envelope.


Agree
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Posted 08/12/2022   5:21 pm  Show Profile Check docgfd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add docgfd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good eye, gents! That possibility hadn't occurred to me (and should have!). Running the image thru Postmark Reveal shows the stamp's cds with a date of 'Mar 26' confirming it couldn't have been applied in December as the docketing states (probably after some sport soaked a #10 off of it). And that's in addition to things not lining up quite correctly.

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Posted 08/12/2022   5:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamp appears to have a Baltimore CDS, a clear mismatch to the Plymouth CDS.

Bottom line: your stamp's plating should be done without any regard to it being on cover.
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Edited by John Becker - 08/12/2022 5:29 pm
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Posted 08/14/2022   01:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Harper1249 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm still just a novice at plating these 3c but I have found the 11s that are A reliefs from plates 6,7 and 8 are a challenge to plate even when you have all four frame lines. This one's missing the left and top and some of the bottom. Not an easy one to plate.
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Posted 08/14/2022   08:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ioagoa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi docgfd --

I agree with Harper's comment that your stamp is not an easy one to plate -- as it is missing pretty much 3 of the 4 frame lines -- with the only complete frame line being the RFL.

But on the other hand -- the LFL of the adjoining stamp at right is pretty much complete -- and I noticed a faint guide dot on your stamp -- which is well outside of the RFL.

Between the guide dot positioning and the two fully visible FL's I plated your stamp to position 63R6 -- which makes it a Scott #11.

As an aside -- The earliest known use for plate 6 is February 18, 1856.

Regards // ioaoga
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Edited by ioagoa - 08/14/2022 09:06 am
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Posted 08/14/2022   10:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Harper1249 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry docgfd, I completely butchered my analysis on the relief. Its clearly a B relief with guide dot.

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