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Posted 09/19/2022   7:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Green papers are all 1866. Plus they are all on extremely thin paper; one look at that paper of the stamp he is selling is enough to prove it has zero chance of being a genuine green paper. It is also the wrong shade of green.
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Posted 09/19/2022   7:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 09/19/2022   8:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Seems to be. Not sure exactly how believable it is.
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Posted 09/19/2022   8:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
http://goscf.com/t/74585

Hardly the first time.

His BOGUS Series1940 are what got me banned.

So many trimmed revenues it is amazing any perf'd ones (R-Xc) are left... Doesn't even bother to "see" the remaining perfs left on the "imperf" stamps...

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Posted 09/21/2022   6:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For the love of all that is holy...

Just when you thought it couldn't get worse.

Maybe a pumpkin? Those are some mad carving skills.




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Posted 09/21/2022   6:18 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"I got a rock."
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Posted 09/21/2022   6:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I reported him to the APS and eBay after taking a look at his Hawaiin stamps which are all crude fakes. In fact, he has one listing for a Hawaii Scott 24 that is blue instead of black and either way is a piece of junk. Enough already.
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Posted 09/21/2022   7:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not to belabor this topic but the seller just messaged me multiple times with everything from "get a life" to "harassment" with the last one blaming auction company descriptions for the bogus listings even when a stamp design is not even the correct color.

This provides a good opportunity to discuss some of the things wrong with the philatelic/internet marketplace interface that has never changed.

There are similar characteristics amongst these sellers of dubious materials.

1) Thousands of positive feedback ratings
2) Hang a society logo out to lend gravitas
3) Sell little to no certified material even for multi-thousand-dollar stamps
4) If somebody calls you block or insult them
5) Provide poor quality images
6) Start bidding for said multi-thousand-dollar stamps at 99 cents
7) Build a customer base of the uninformed and newbies that leave the positive feedback that entices more uninformed and newbies to keep the cycle going
8) Bask in the aura of legitimacy that a well-oiled eBay seller feedback account lends to an otherwise clueless or shady operator
9) Rinse and repeat

Obviously, there are great sellers, some of them from this forum, that have some of the attributes listed above but not all and they deserve to be praised for their honesty and professionalism. But make no mistake that the bad sellers are damaging the hobby irreparably and there is no way to quantify the number of collectors that walk away in disgust when and if they finally realize the extent to which they have been ripped off.

Finally, yes there is a responsibility on a buyer's part to know their material and their limits but sellers that prey on the uninformed are odorous people in general.
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Posted 09/21/2022   10:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mootermutt987 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
We don't need sellers like that in our hobby - it is just bad for the hobby. My experience GENERALLY is that sellers on SAN are respectable and trustworthy - there are exceptions, but generally the statement holds. Whereas on eBay, every Tom, Dick, and Harry is trying to sell their grandfather's collection. They are blinded by the POTENTIAL money that can be made and, frankly, go to the dark side. These are people with little integrity that are in it for a buck. Caveat emptor are the first 2 words all eBay buyers should know. There have been numerous times over the years when I have had collections of 'this type' of material brought to me and the owner is simply insulted that I am not interested or that my offer is so low - "But the seller sold it as a # so-and-so, and you don't know what you are looking at!" Their problem is that I DO know what I am looking at. So often, the rip-off happens and it isn't until years or decades later that the owner finds out. With eBay, you don't even know what the person looks like, or whether he was the rip-off artist that you stumbled over 5 years earlier under another seller ID. eBay is an easy forum to buy from - access to material is incredible - very much unlike going to a stamp show and wandering from table to table and building relationships. The people on SCF have all read abut these horror stories. The problem is that most people with a small passing interest in the hobby don't bother to get on these forums. They just go directly to eBay and start spending. We can squawk all we want here, but the problem is that the people that need to hear the squawking aren't here.
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Posted 09/22/2022   04:54 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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..The people on SCF have all read abut these horror stories. The problem is that most people with a small passing interest in the hobby don't bother to get on these forums...

Not everyone might use this forum but many people use Google, if anyone Googles 'Boots4222' this thread will come up right at the top of the search page.

If people do not bother to do ANY research into who they are buying from, then there is not much anyone can do to help them.

This seller knows of this thread, he was here yesterday. Folks can draw their own opinions on the fact that he did not bother to defend his listing practices.
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Posted 09/22/2022   06:56 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Whereas on eBay, every Tom, Dick, and Harry is trying to sell their grandfather's collection. They are blinded by the POTENTIAL money that can be made and, frankly, go to the dark side. These are people with little integrity that are in it for a buck.


To be fair, there is another category of seller in this regard: those that simply don't know any better. They just inherited their parent's/spouse's/friend's collection and they now have to or want to dispose of it, and after years/decades of being regaled with fantastic tales of inestimable rarity and wealth, bring those tales to the table when it comes time to sell.

While you or I would perform due diligence and research before making claims or establishing asking prices, many of these people do not. They're not collectors; that methodology isn't in them.

I don't know that eBay actually provides any tools/aids for "the newbie seller" in this regard, nor are there any requirements to go through any form of online onboarding tutorial or educational process (that I'm aware of, but I've been on eBay for 24 years... eBay now is a far cry from when I joined).

eBay markets itself as a platform where you can sell your kids' outgrown jammies and Grandma Edna's antique vase in 2 minutes from your cellphone. Easy peasy! Well guess what... that same approach applies to stamps, coins, and all the other collectibles out there.

All that said, when it comes to this sort of seller, there's no excuse. As we've seen time and time again, size/stature is no barrier to the lack of morals and ethics. How many high-profile ASDA-endorsed multi-page Linn's advertisers have we talked about here with the most abhorrent business practices?

Any appearance of integrity or policing thereof amongst many national dealers and auction houses is IMO illusion. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

We just tend to be more outraged when it's on eBay because that's where people go dumpster diving for bargains (myself included).
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Posted 09/22/2022   07:18 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
We have to acknowledge just how well eBay has done its marketing; they had to overcome decades and decades of consumer common sense thinking like:
- "don't buy stuff sight-unseen"
- "be careful about buying something from someone you do not know"
- "build solid business relationships"
They have brain-washed many into not caring who the seller is and trusting eBay's moronic feedback system (where eBay has a huge vested interest in keeping good scores) and 'money back guarantee'.

The solution is simple, education. We have to promote consumers investing time in learning WHO they are buying FROM and as well as doing their homework on what they are buying.

Education is the only weapon in the war against online deception and fraud.
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Posted 09/23/2022   7:20 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A couple of auction listings from the seller in question ending this weekend. All 3 stamps are completely bogus and the bidiots have already given this charlatan an undeserved windfall. P.T. Barnum was right.

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