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Victoria 1d (Sg Type 12) On Newspaper

 
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Posted 09/22/2022   10:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add patg23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
(Always interesting to see where things will go)


Victoria 1d (SG type 12) used on newspaper.
Can't see watermark to completely id.



Interesting to look at the ads:

Best I could find was that the Greymouth Wharf and Kamura Goldfields were in New Zealand.

Article in The-Mecury-8-Dec--1897
Gleaner was built in 1870

Article in The-telegraph-july-20--1910
Still going in 1910






Was a bit afraid to lookup what a "French Polisher" was.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_polish
French polishing is a wood finishing technique that results in a very high gloss surface, with a deep colour and chatoyancy. French polishing consists of applying many thin coats of shellac dissolved in denatured alcohol using a rubbing pad lubricated with one of a variety of oils. The rubbing pad is made of absorbent cotton or wool cloth wadding inside of a piece of fabric (usually soft cotton cloth) and is commonly referred to as a fad.



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Argus
a nice oxymoron.
A hundred-eyed monster of Greek mythology.
A watchful guardian.
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Posted 09/23/2022   03:14 am  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Victoria 1d (SG type 12) used on newspaper.
Can't see watermark to completely id.


Patg,

Kellow in 'Stamps of Victoria' states that the V2 paper was not used for this design until July, 1882. It must, therefore, be on the V1 type watermarked paper. This would have it as SG177 or SG182, depending on the perforartion.


John
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Thanks john,
After review, they are both SG177 (perf 13).
Also, thanks for not pointing out the obvious mistake that they are type 23 (not type 12). Need new glasses

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Posted 09/23/2022   7:07 pm  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pat,

Newspapers are a really interesting postal class. Reading "Tasmanian Postal Stationery" by Groom and Shatten, TPS, 2021 it indicates that there was no charge for posting newspapers within Tasmania from 1841 until 1889. In 1888 3.6m newspapers were posted free against 3.7m letters in the same year.

From 1889 until joining the UPU in 1891, only newspapers over 7 days old were subject to a postage charge.

I'll chase up the Victorian rates for you.


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From 1 May, 1854, the Victorian rate for newspapers was 1d for papers more than 7 days old. This rate continued until 1891 when Victoria joined the UPU. From then the rate was d per ten ounces for all Colonies (except Queensland at d per two ounces) until 1 November 1902 when the Queensland rate was reduced to the same as the other interstate rates.

It increased in 1918 but this is beyond Victorian Colonial rates.
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Nicely solved, and interesting information, John.
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Thanks John.
Interesting requirement about the 7 day rule. Does that mean if sent before 7 days shipped free?

No doubt news travelled slower if outside the bigger cities.

Do you know of any articles of collections online to view,

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I'll dig up the information for New South Wales and add it in here during the next few days (got a bit on right now), along with some Newspaper Datestamp images.
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Thanks John.
Interesting requirement about the 7 day rule. Does that mean if sent before 7 days shipped free?

No doubt news travelled slower if outside the bigger cities.

Do you know of any articles of collections online to view,

Pat


The newspaper proprietors were able to exert influence on the postal administration to avoid a claimed 'tax on knowledge'. Free if dated within 7 days of the issue of the paper.


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I'll dig up the information for New South Wales and add it in here during the next few days (got a bit on right now), along with some Newspaper Datestamp images.


Bobby,

I source my Colonial postal rate info from 'T for Tax' by Collyer and Peck. Newspaper rates are not mentioned for NSW.


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For New South Wales, White (pp.369-372) tells us the following rates applied for transmission by post within the colony, for newspapers printed in the colony:

March 1828: 1d each

1835 Act: Free if posted within 7 days of publication, otherwise 1d each

1 January 1850: 1d each

22 December 1851: Free if posted within 7 days of publication, otherwise 1d each

1864 Act: 1d each

1 January 1874: Free if posted within 7 days of publication, otherwise 1d each


For the datestamps, I do not have an example of the first two.

White N3 has gaps cut into the side arcs. It has code letters A, C, E, I and S.



White N4 has a code letter H.



White N5 has a code letter N.



White N6 is inscribed NEWS-PAPER at the base. It has code numbers 1 to 4.



White N7 has a full circular border.



The circular datestamp below was issued in late 1902.



Hope this information helps
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New information is always apricated.

Will have to look if I see any in my NSW collection.

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