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GB Queen Victoria - Identification Of Early Penny Red.

 
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Posted 10/05/2022   10:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add UKstampman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Just acquired an old time collection which includes a number of early penny reds.

One of the stamps has written PL88 BHND A REDRAWN REDRAWN FRAME LINES. Can anyone identify this with a Stanley Gibbons Cat Number ? Much appreciated. See pictures of the stamp and the note that was below the stamp.




Any help appreciated.
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Posted 10/05/2022   10:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Specialised BS30d.

The concise catalogue does not assign numbers to stamps from individual plates. It is in the range SG 8g-12g. The exact number depends on the red colour (referred to as 'shade').

I very much doubt it is a stamp from plate 88. The Q is set too high and the A appears set too far to the left.

Edit: the imprimatur does not show recut frame lines on stamp QA. Nor does SG Specialised mention any recutting of frame lines for stamp QA.
The Northeast star has a top frame line that extends to the right. Again, this cannot be seen on the imprimatur.
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Edited by NSK - 10/05/2022 11:09 am
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Posted 10/05/2022   11:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add UKstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks NSK your knowledge and wisdom are very much appreciated.
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Posted 10/05/2022   11:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Much of the information is SG's wisdom (Specialised vol. 1).
The imprimatur can be found here.

http://cdn.collectionsbase.org.uk/g...R014_09o.jpg

It is always a good thing for someone else to critically look at my observations.
Note: it does look like your stamp has redrawn frames. I only question the identification of the plate number.
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Posted 10/05/2022   3:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I had a quick look at plates 46 to 131 just now and wasn't happy with any of them.

I will have a closer look tomorrow when I'm back on deck!
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Posted 10/06/2022   01:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A drawback of the imprimaturs is that they will show the early state of any plate. Some plates were repaired. The very strong frame lines on the right - those on the left partly obscured by the cancellation appear slightly weaker but still well-defined - could also result from repairs to plates that do not show in the imprimaturs.

The stamp does look like type I, alphabet I.
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Posted 10/06/2022   4:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
With a fresh pair of eyes (that aren't feeling too fresh now!) the stamp is a plate 90.
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Posted 10/06/2022   5:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good one Bobby De La Rue.

I concur. Specialised BS30c, plate 90, heavy outer frame lines (major retouching).

The imprimatur shows the difference in the strength of the right and left frames and the extension in the Northeast corner.

I think the wiriting is not

Quote:
PL88 BHND A REDRAWN REDRAWN FRAME LINES

but

PL88 Q AND A REDRAWN
REDRAWN FRAME LINES

It was, incorrectly identified.
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Edited by NSK - 10/06/2022 5:02 pm
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Posted 10/06/2022   5:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks NSK.

I narrowed it down to plates 80 and 90.

The NE frame extension and the recut frame lines were the two factors that led me to plate 90.

I just got the new QV specialised part 1 so am digesting a lot of info
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Posted 10/07/2022   02:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I just got the new QV specialised part 1


The new Vol. 1, part 1? It looks tempting with images in colour. The site claims there is a lot of new information.
It is expensive. 55 plus P&P will, easily make it 70. Amazon.nl has it free delivery here at 70.30. The second part was planned for this year.
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Posted 10/07/2022   4:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes NSK that's the one! It's quite an attractive publication and yes there's lots of extra information that wasn't in the earlier editions.

70.30 sounds reasonable. I picked up my copy here in Australia for under A$90.
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Posted 10/11/2022   12:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One more thing - the description actually says "BLIND A" - the hole in A is filled in (blind).
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