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One Penny Stamp - Details Resembling Plate Number.

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Posted 10/28/2022   03:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add post_pe to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,

I would like to ask, for your assistance on a one penny red stamp with two letters at base tath have's a difference in it's design.
It appears to have a unusual detail on it's left field, resembling very much the number "2".
I would be obligated if some gives
his oppion on the stamp .



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Posted 10/28/2022   03:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add post_pe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Posted 10/28/2022   04:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp is badly damaged by cutting the left side straight. It also is badly toned at the top.
I agree you see a '2' and there appears to be a '4' to the left. That would make it plate 142. This was put to press 7 October 19701870. It is one of the less common plates.
The number also appears in the opposite margin.
Maybe you can scan that side as well to confirm it is plate 142.

Edit: incorrect century as noted below by Petert4522.
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Edited by NSK - 10/28/2022 08:08 am
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Posted 10/28/2022   04:51 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a "2", but there shouldn't be a number there on the stars issue, should there?
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Posted 10/28/2022   05:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add post_pe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes your right tath the stamp is damage at left side. I agree tath there is something which looks very much like number "2 " and possibly" 4" as you mentioned this
it's clearly seen in left ,but there is no trace of any number on the other margin .
I'm a bit little puzzled, isn't it normal to have plate numbers on left and right side of the stamp, and as GeoffHa suggested it's not suppose to have any plate numbers at this issue.
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Posted 10/28/2022   05:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, there are numbers on both sides. However, overinking may cause the numbers to become invisible. These stamps were printed in large amounts causing plates to wear down. Plate wear may be another reason the plate number becomes invisible.

if there are the numbers '42' it must be plate 142, as there was no plate 42 and the highest plate number used was 225. This leaves '142' as the only combination that includes '42.'

But you are correct remarking there should not be a plate number on the 'stars' stamps. Together with that cut-straight left side, a possibility is someone attached the left margin of a 'plates' nr. 142 to a damaged 'stars' stamp.

It would explain the strange colour difference at left if that was not caused by lighting.
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Edited by NSK - 10/28/2022 05:43 am
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Posted 10/28/2022   08:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
NSK, please check the date in your first answer. It says 1970, rather than 1870


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Thanks Peter. I corrected the post.
It looks like it is a combination of two stamps, so the date would apply to the plate 142 stamp if it would have been one of the Penny Reds with plate number.
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Posted 10/28/2022   10:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It would be nice if the OP could post a scan - it could answer a lot of questions


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GeoffHa is correct

Being a penny star, the plate number is not part of the design, as it is in later stamps with letters in all four corners.

Whatever it is that is resembling a 2 is there by accident or some other reason, but it is not part of the original design.
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Posted 10/29/2022   02:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add post_pe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
NSK, Petert4522 l would like to apologize, for posting a image made only from close range.
I tink the reason for the difference, could be the reflection, made from the cellphone band in the album.
Of course I can't be certain whether this is the reason for the difference in color.
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Posted 10/29/2022   02:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add post_pe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is similarl stamp with a detail which is on the same position, but it's not so clearly distinguished as the one with "2" at left side. The image which is posted for comparison is from ,"Great Britain line engravet plate repais 1840 to1855" ,
issued by RPSL but it's not mentioned as a seperate variety .
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Posted 10/29/2022   02:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add post_pe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have technical problems and can't post a image . Please chek the link below :
https://www.alo.bg/8389266?eact=i
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