SC 70 & 78 Looking For Confirmation

So colors are hard for me and I know nothing about these, but looking for confirmation: as marked Sc 70 & 78 ?? Tks




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They do not look all that different to me, and I suspect they are both 70s.

Given the 70 and 78 were printed from the same plate, and with color distinctions so difficult to make online (what with the scanner, the processing SW, the various monitors, and then our eyeballs...), I think you need to get them expertised, side-by-side with reference copies under the same light.

It is my belief that the only difference is the paper and that requires having the stamp in hand and familiarity with the paper. I have never seen anyone on this forum indicate that color can be determined with a digital likeness of the stamp. There are some who might know enough about the cancellations to say they might help in making a judgement, however in your examples I do not believe there is not enough to form an opinion. I would appreciate other participants affirming my opinion and enlightening us as to any other way to make a solid determination.

yep, colors are hard enough in person and I know scanners and color profiles used when scanned mess it all up. in person side by side they do look to be different in color - a tiny bit. But I dont know enough about these to know for sure..... I may have them expertized for the fun of it.

are these ok to soak?

Yes, you can soak these - they are at no more risk than cheap stamps to soak. Obviously be careful.

Please see the discussion in Scotts Specialized for #70. This very topic is discussed. As Clipshot wrote, you need to examine the paper most carefully. Do the stamps feel different to you?

so the Sc70 seems maybe to be a little thinner. But im not at all certain. here are 2 pictures taken in the reflection of the sun... I read the notes.

To follow up, you were correct.

I've gotten a preliminary response from APEX , they are both 70a, pencil marks on back and 1 is creased. Not sure about the "crease" as I sure didn't see one before they were sent out , so I'm curious what it'll look like when I get them back.

Now to follow up with Oakwood Auctions….

Sometimes to see a crease the stamp needs to be dipped.

As in watermark solution?

Yes

Thanks. I had soaked the hinges off before I sent them in and don't remember seeing any creases. Have to think of if I had, I would have mentioned it to Oakwood. No idea until I get them back. What do you do then anyway?

Oakwood, not really being a philatelic auction house has a sucky policy when it comes to items with faults or not being as described:




Please let us know how you make out if you try to return the items.

You soaked them. They are not now in exactly the same condition as received. I would not expect a successful return effort.

So it was more of a question of having both Sc 70 & Sc 78 as advertised in the auction. As soon as I noticed a difference , I tried getting in touch with Oakwood - see my other thread. They did not respond to emails or voicemails and their excuse was that they were on a call to pick up lots and out of office. Oddly, they did not answer my email or voicemail re: the update on the expertising either until I reached out to a 3rd party. Anyhow, it is what it is.

Here is their offer:

" We do apologize for the delay in our response, as we were out of the office today.
When we spoke on the phone after the auction, we had mentioned that if the stamp was a #70 and not a #78, we would come to an amicable solution.
We did not intentionally misrepresent that one stamp as a #78. We will trust the APS's opinion on this, and will take full responsibility for this being mis-identified.
The entire price for this lot, including the buyer's premium, was $325 + 20% = $390 USD.
The difference in catalogue value for a used #70 ($300) and a used #78 ($400) is $100.
The total catalogue value for the lot (with #78) is $2,478.
If the amount paid was approximately 16% of the catalogue value, and the difference between a #70 and a #78 is $100, would a credit of $25, which would could be applied against any future purchase, be an adequate amount to you?
Again, we do apologize for this, it was our mistake, and it was not our intention to misrepresent this stamp.
If you do have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contact us by email, or by phone at 905-591-7600.


Regards,

Jason
Oakwood Auctions "


By the way, Jason offered at the time, "give me a credit". NOT, "come to an amicable offer".

They may be one in the same, but I only offer what was actually said.

It is what it is I guess.

PS - for the record, they upped the offer to 50.00 before I said no. Odd, they fail to consider my expense of 2 certificates, mailing and insurance to verify their mistake.

So, the saga continued after I received another follow up phone call from a gal Oakwood after I posted the below. To be fair, I wanted to post what I was told as they did offer a higher refund or to take the lot back and issue a refund for the lot + shipping + 1 cert + shipping.... In the going back and forth with them, there was unfortunately a little communication issue - what was said vs what they said I said. Anyhow, I have no complaints considering that they had called back and the above. I ended up keeping the lot and have received a credit also for $130.00. The End ( I hope).